Old straight men and genderism

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You might expect straight men with a lifetime of male socialisation behind them to be the quickest to dismiss genderist nonsense, but I have noticed in my circles a few men in their 60s and older totally on board with TWAW.

I don’t understand this, what might the reasons be?

Trans-identified family members?
Male friends who are secret cross-dressers?
Over-compensating because they don’t want to be “gammons”?

I really don’t get it.

Old, straight men are often homophobic. It is easier for them to think of an effeminate man as 'not a man' and therefore, a woman.

They have no interest in considering how actual women feel about this because women are inferior and therefore of little importance.

It's not new.

I think they put anything that doesn't fit in their idea of What A Man Is into their Woman box. DH was like this for a long while. He felt a transitioning colleague "wasn't a man anymore," so therefore was a woman.

We eventually thrashed out that obviously no one changes sex, and being a woman was dependent on being female. We're a whole separate sex, not just "non-men." Transwomen as a subsection of gender-non-conforming males is nothing like life as an adult female human.

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i had a similar discussion years ago with my dad and dh

they both agreed that if a man had is penis removed it made him a woman

i said ‘ to make sure ive got this straight, if in some sort of tragic accident your penis was chopped off youd now be a woman?’

obviously their views changed immediately 🤔 idiots

The simple idea of widening what it means to be male is an impossible head-fuck to many.

It will not compute.

My DH is that age. He was a little slow off the mark, his oldest friend is an old fashioned transvestite. But once we had a proper conversation about the difference between him, our gender bending youth and the current TWAW stuff he got very angry, very quickly.

Men have no business being in women's spaces, jobs, sports etc. They are men.

You may have spoken to a man with a similar background. Gender bending was ubiquitous and came hard on the heels of glam. Decades of men presenting their 'feminine' side, wearing women's clothes and still being very male.

I believe in live and let live, but not if it’s to the detriment of others people’s ability to live their lives safely, healthily and happily. Most trans activist demands compromise the well-being of women and children.

I think some of these men are being hip and are after woke points, some haven’t thought it through and are just ‘being kind’, and some genuinely (secretly) think women are just lipstick and high heels and males should come first. Some have a fetish. Some have a tw friend. Oh and some think a man ‘becoming a woman’ still entails chopping your penis off, and are so horrified by that that they think tw deserve everything the activists demand.

Most of them haven't thought about it too hard.

The same is true of plenty of women.

The women most affected by TW entering their spaces don't have much status in society unfortunately. Prisoners, abuse victims, orthodox religious. They aren't high on people's priorities.

Which is why I think women's sports are a very important sphere to shift public opinion.

The other aspect that people don't know about is how few TW actually have surgery. A TW with a penis is quite a different prospect to one without.

My DH is nearly 70. When he first came across this he thought it must be true because,: 'but they couldn't go in the men's toilets.' A lifetime of being told what a man was supposed to be like made him compute that a woman is 'not a man' therefore TWAW.

He also worked with an old-school transexual several decades ago and believed what he was told by the colleague.
His position is radically different now, but many men simply don't look into it enough to make an informed opinion.

People I know in real life, regardless of age, who support what they think is ‘trans rights’ don’t actually understand what it is they are supporting. They just haven’t looked into it at all.

In this set-up, the men get to "live" and the women get to "let live".

Brilliant- going to remember this.

An older colleague of mine certainly doesn’t believe TWAW, I know from previous conversations with him — but in recent months I notice he’s started to go along with it, largely because (a) he wants to look “with it”; and (b) a contemporary of his “came out” as a TW and, you know, if a boomer male does it there must be something in it, you know 🤦‍♀️