Gwynedd council

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The BBC is carrying a report on a testy meeting in Caernarvon about the new RHSE policy is Wales. Was anyone there? I can't seem to link the repory but it's on the front page of the BBC app.

I wish that the BBC or anyone else reporting on this could link to the actual policy being proposed. I'd like to see for myself rather than have to take the word of the BBC or the councillors quoted.

Here's the BBC report
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62685423

I hope this link works:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62685423

Precious little information from either the Council or the BBC. 'Age appropriate' gives little reassurance when you think of what some people consider appropriate for young children.

More links.

This is the RSE document
gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2022-01/curriculum-for-wales-relationships-sexuality-education-code.pdf

Another story about this in the Daily Post.
www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/graphic-leaflet-compulsory-sex-lessons-24846593

This is the leaflet that the Welsh Government says is 'full of misinformation'.

www.publicchildprotectionwales.org/_files/ugd/9e6336_887d040de82b448eb53b01316357bb69.pdf

This is available to be watched
gwynedd.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/693959

Long-time poster here with a name change. I know someone who was at the meeting. There's a local group of Q-Anon style Trumpist conspiracy theorists who've been circulating rumours around the county that the council/Welsh Govt are full of paedophiles and that 3 & 4 year olds will be taught all sorts of stuff which they won't be. It's in that leaflet linked to above. They packed the council meeting called specifically to discuss the new syllabus and started shouting abuse at the education lead and others, shouting 'paedo' and other stuff from the public gallery, and wouldn't shut up when asked, so the police were called. Councillors had to stay inside for 2 hours to make sure they were safe.

There's a local group of Q-Anon style Trumpist conspiracy theorists who've been circulating rumours around the county that the council/Welsh Govt are full of paedophiles and that 3 & 4 year olds will be taught all sorts of stuff which they won't be. It's in that leaflet linked to above.

These are the people who produced the leaflet. Are they the "Q-Anon style Trumpist conspiracy theorists"?

www.publicchildprotectionwales.org/meet-the-team

Is Councillor Louise Hughes also a conspiracy theorist?

New statement from the Welsh Government.

None of the examples of teaching and resources cited by this group are from Wales and I want to be very clear that they would not be permitted under the RSE Code and statutory guidance. At the core of this literature is the group’s claims that RSE in Wales is part of a co-ordinated “global rollout” of “comprehensive sexuality education” which it is claimed will sexualise children. That is profoundly wrong and is a deeply dangerous claim.

Full statement here:

gov.wales/written-statement-misleading-claims-about-rse

That's not who I'm talking about. These are the examples of the messages going round here.

Same guy:

www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/arrest-warrant-issued-llandudno-anti-20565539
www.northwaleschronicle.co.uk/news/19890647.caernarfon-man-pay-1-000-banned-road-drug-driving/

It's a pity that this fiasco will distract attention from widespread and serious concerns about the Stonewall-influenced ideological nature of RSE teaching in Wales. Resources and teacher training sessions are firmly in the genderbread / Barbie & GI Joe camp, with an extra helping of sex-positivity. The glossary bears no relationship to biology, science, or the OED and there's a pathological avoidance of words like 'girl' 'boy' 'man' or 'woman'. Welsh Government and the First Minister are firmly of the TWAW mindset - a belief which colours everything. It's worrying.

Agreed.

The glossary bears no relationship to biology, science, or the OED and there's a pathological avoidance of words like 'girl' 'boy' 'man' or 'woman'.

Which document are you referring to here? The only current document I can find is the RSE code, which doesn't have a glossary. The guidance is here, but I can't see a glossary here either. I do remember the earlier documents being exactly as you describe. These ones:

gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2018-03/the-future-of-the-sex-and-relationships-education-curriculum-in-wales.pdf

gov.wales/sites/default/files/consultations/2021-05/consultation-document-relationships-and-sexuality-education-guidance-and-code_0.pdf

Haven't watched all of it, just bits.

The first two speakers raise concerns.

Beca Brown says that the group spreading these leaflets are irresponsible, and that it's hair-raising that they're doing so because what they're saying isn't true. She's saying that the code is created by professionals and that it considers age appropriateness.

Dewi Jones wonders if the people raising the concerns have read the document.

Eryl Jones-Williams says that parents came to him saying they were barred from getting the information they wanted, but also couldn't take their children out of school (presumably when they parents were trying to get that information).
He says that he's been through the entire document now, and says that even though it talks about consent, it doesn't talk about the law, about the legal age of consent. He was concerned about this.

I'm not sure who runs or founded the Public Child Protection Wales, but it would be interesting to see their commentary on what was being said.

Parents should be able to see what their children are taught in schools. If any school is not 100% transparent, open and quick to provide resources you'd have to ask why. If they don't respond quickly and transparently then of course rumours will take the place of reality. Didn't Suella Braverman recently say parents should have access to teaching materials?

Yep. Even if parents don’t have access to all teaching materials, it still shouldn’t be a fricking secret what kids are being taught. It shouldn’t be this controversial or as much of a shock to their parents - this is the red flag.

This also opens the door to faith schools teaching whatever the hell they want and being unaccountable to parents, councils, the curriculum etc.

I haven’t watched the above link but I hope moderate voices prevail.

I'm not sure who runs or founded the Public Child Protection Wales, but it would be interesting to see their commentary on what was being said.

I posted a link to their website earlier.

www.publicchildprotectionwales.org/meet-the-team

It seems to be run by parents who are concerned about the things that we discuss here.

Disappointed that Councillors like Beca Brown, who I thought was pretty savvy, can't see that this isn't as simple as Welsh Government try to portray it. They really have brought this on themselves by not listening to concerns and hitching their wagon to a sex-pozzie, queer theory approach espoused by a tiny faction within academia. It sounds as if valid concerns have become magnified and now exaggerated.

Continuing to dismiss them isn't going to work. It's divisive and immature. I'm really pro-RSE, as are most parents, but I know that there aren't that many teachers who are confident in how to deliver it. They'll view the batshit glossary as a guide. In some areas they've been totally taken in by inaccurate, irresponsible, anti-feminist resources like Agenda and CRUSH. We're back in the Wales where a tiny clique make decisions on the advice to the benefit of their mates and cronies. No critical thought, no reality check. Sickening that so many charities are complicit in this too. Irresponsible idiots.

Why are parents not allowed to remove their children from sex ed classes? It's rather sad that children are not allowed to be children any more.

I'm really pro-RSE, as are most parents, but I know that there aren't that many teachers who are confident in how to deliver it. They'll view the batshit glossary as a guide.

Is this the guidance you're looking at, or has anything else been published since the consultation? If it has, I can't find it, so I'd appreciate someone posting a link.

gov.wales/sites/default/files/consultations/2021-05/consultation-document-relationships-and-sexuality-education-guidance-and-code_0.pdf

Can't find the most up-to-date version now. I'm sure it was on the Welsh Government website a few months ago, including the updated glossary (which was still batshit). How are we as parents meant to know what's happening if info keeps disappearing? It looks shifty, even if it's due to incompetence not s9me conspiracy.

Looking at the BBC Wales report again I'm wondering how closely Cllr Beca Brown (the Education lead) has been following the policy developments. What she says she wants for the children of the County is 100% in line with Merched Cymru and the reason why they've been campaigning AGAINST the new RSE Code and calling for better guidance. So sick of leads in education not taking the time to consider. It's easy but also lazy and irresponsible just to make assumptions and to just assume that any concerns or objections come from a place of ignorance or bigotry.

Can't find the most up-to-date version now. I'm sure it was on the Welsh Government website a few months ago, including the updated glossary (which was still batshit). How are we as parents meant to know what's happening if info keeps disappearing? It looks shifty, even if it's due to incompetence not s9me conspiracy.

Thanks. This seems to be the most recent version.

gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2021-12/draft-relationships-sexuality-education-statutory-guidance-code_1.pdf

It's still there, but there's no longer a link from this page: gov.wales/curriculum-for-wales

I found it from the archive link of that page.

web.archive.org/web/20220121061925/gov.wales/curriculum-for-wales

If there's nothing wrong with it, why was it removed?

Hmm. I'm not sure that this group share the same concerns as posters here. I've now had a chance to look in more depth at their website which is somewhat vague to say the least, but from what I could tell, it looks as though they're objecting to the teaching of any RSE to children full stop. There's a video on their website which is more Kinsey paedo stuff along the lines of the message I posted above, and having watched the video of the council meeting linked to above, Cllr Hughes was waving Kinsey around as well. Compare and contrast to the Merched Cymru website which is very clear about the specific concerns they have, cites the Equality Act and provides a clear list of questions which parents can put to their schools about teaching materials. There's a huge difference in being concerned that gender ideology might be presented as fact vs claiming that giving sex education to children = paedophilia. Turning up at council meetings and shouting 'paedo' all over the place is not rational behaviour in my view.

As has been said upthread, of course parents should be able to see the materials which are proposed to be used in schools, and to question who has produced it. It's this lack of transparency IMO is what's allowed the wilder fringe theories to flourish in the absence of anything specific.