Harry Miller - Triggernometry - Arrested for a Meme

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Harry Miller talks about the man arrested for posting the meme of the progressive pride flag arranged as a swastika on social media. Despite winning his case against the college of policing it seems to me that things are getting worse rather than better. The whole episode is shocking; some parts give quite a frightening insight into where we may end up if corrective action isn't taken soon.

There are too many examples of eyebrow raising behaviour by the police to give a full summary of the discussion but if you don't have time to watch it all then I'd recommend scrolling to about 58 mins in to see how a school and the police dealt with a 14 year old boy with ASD who failed to recognise a feminine presenting female as a boy.

He also talks about how the police are interpreting a law known as section 127, Konstantin is outraged by it, Harry uses Chesterton's Fence/Gate to push back but I'd be interested in other people's opinions. FWIW I agree with HM but understand why Konstantin is so angry about the way the law is currently used.

I'm surprised at this, having heard about what has happened to academics like Kathleen Stock and Rosa Freedman. Universities which don't protect their staff from this sort of harassment appear to be completely captured at the highest level.

And I'm sure that the daily onslaught of pronouns, 'they know better than you' posters in the single 'gender' toilets and masses of peer pressure must have some sort of effect on the students.

I'm sure some workplaces are just as bad, such as some parts of the civil service. But I don't think people get brainwashed in the same way in bars and golf clubs. You're always free to socialise somewhere else or ignore opinions you disagree with which you can't always do in the workplace or at school or university.

And the place where you learn to follow instructions and do as you're told is school. At university there should be more emphasis on independent thought.

There was nothing wrong with your post, it was well written and interesting, unfortunately any point of view that doesn't show 100% devotion to the cause is seen as suspicious round here.

If you suspect the poster is a troll you should report to @mnhq and not engage.

I do not think the poster is a troll. We just don't agree on the threshold for evidence in the context of an interview. I don't agree with other things the poster has written either but their posts are considered and nothing about them suggests trolling.

Well, people have eyes and can read words. They are allowed to comment. That includes you. Instead of snarking at people who comment, let people know what you think about it.

If you do want kids chemically castrated for not liking the right clothes and toys, by all means explain that to us. Nobody is stopping you. But don't be surprised when other people think that it is a bit of a drastic step to take.

Well, go ahead and use your words and just stop snarking. What is your angle on this topic?

Useful but shocking interview

something that confused me - surely the examples he gave where being grossly offensive would need a law, are covered under Malicious Communications?

really underlines how all this stuff comes from the top of industries and organisations. On that basis, what can we do about it?

"And the Dansky quotes upthread are much too close to the "just believe" for me. We do have time. We always have time to make sure we actually do know what's going on. Documentation, and critical analysis must never stop."

I included links to the tweets quoted. Although the first one is a stand-alone tweet, the other two are QTs commenting on other threads so should be read in those specific contexts.

Copy and paste for convenience:

"I have become convinced that the easiest way through the gaslighting of the #GenderIndustry is to quickly accept that this entire thing is as bad as it seems, and probably much much worse, and to go on from there. We don't have time to be shocked about any of it anymore."
twitter.com/KDansky/status/1510306327184224258

"Things are just as bad as we think they are. Most likely worse."
twitter.com/KDansky/status/1394031027849506818

"This is absolutely common. I remember seeing the same thing in the form of a Facebook ad in May of last year, and I have seen it several times since then. We all need to understand that this kind of thing is everywhere, and it's going to get worse. We need to stop being shocked."
twitter.com/KDansky/status/1501707699075092486

The point I was making in my OP, which others above have recognised, is that being rendered into a state of "OMG-shock" by the latest horror uncovered, whatever it is, is disabling.

It was not the first time, and I am sure it will not be the last, that I have reminded myself of Dansky's words as a means of pulling myself out of a shocked, disempowered state of mind in order to turn my thinking, full of resolve, into "OK. Now what am I actually going to DO about it?!"

What do I need to find out? Who likely knows more than me already? Where do I find more information? What then could I do? What should I do? Who can help? Who can I help? etc. etc.

I hope that clarifies.

Drat! I forgot that copy and paste of published links does not render them as links!

This should work:

"I have become convinced that the easiest way through the gaslighting of the #GenderIndustry is to quickly accept that this entire thing is as bad as it seems, and probably much much worse, and to go on from there. We don't have time to be shocked about any of it anymore."
twitter.com/KDansky/status/1510306327184224258

"Things are just as bad as we think they are. Most likely worse."
twitter.com/KDansky/status/1394031027849506818

"This is absolutely common. I remember seeing the same thing in the form of a Facebook ad in May of last year, and I have seen it several times since then. We all need to understand that this kind of thing is everywhere, and it's going to get worse. We need to stop being shocked."
twitter.com/KDansky/status/1501707699075092486

I listened to this interview last night. Not sure whether I agree with KK or HM on the section 127 thing - I can see both sides. But overall, it is really scary to think that the police in the UK are no longer interested in protecting people and property in accordance with the law, but are devoting all resources to upholding this ideology. The story FF told about his parents' house being burgled was really upsetting.

It's an interview, though. They are asking him about his thinking. It's not just a set-piece designed to be used to bring down a certain set of ideas.

I think gender ideology goes beyond women's rights and protecting children, it's an attack on democracy itself and I agree with Kara; whilst we're celebrating small wins the ideology shows no signs of slowing down. How and why?

Part of it is, in my opinion, that gender ideology is just one limb of a larger animal. You can wail away on it all you like but as long as it's still attached it's got a life.

You learn how to follow instructions and do as you're told at university. Or you don't graduate. That's definitely the case. But that's far from being turned into the kind of zombie HM was talking about in the interview. I teach at a university, and the vast majority of people are not brainwashed, despite the university admin's pronouns, gender neutral toilets and rainbow lanyards. Saloon bars, workplaces and golf clubs brainwash more than universities.

I agree that people can be brain washed anywhere. Universities are in a unique position because students are immerse in the culture at crucial age. Spend three years just after leaving home in an environment where cultural norms are seen as regressive, women have no boundaries and free speech as frowned upon, its hardly surprising that new graduate police officers just won't see the problems of questioning peoples thinking. Especially if the alternative is challenging violent people.

I agree 100%

There is only the most fleeting mention of Gender Identity Ideology in "Counter Wokecraft" by Charles Pincourt (not his real name). However, it is essential reading for anyone concerned about the encroachment of "the larger animal" within an institution. Aimed at academics in STEM subjects in US Universities it has practical applications far beyond that realm.

Counter Wokecraft: An Executive Summary
newdiscourses.com/2021/11/counter-wokecraft-an-executive-summary/

Counter Wokecraft: Why I Wrote It and Why You Should Read It
www.mindingthecampus.org/2021/11/26/counter-wokecraft-why-i-wrote-it-and-why-you-should-read-it/

Counter Wokecraft: A Field Manual for Combatting the Woke in the University and Beyond
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09MKJK5D4/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i0

Counter Wokecraft Study Guide - Chapter 1
wokedissident.substack.com/p/counter-wokecraft-study-guide

Further Chapters (all are free) at:

The Woke Dissident Newsletter
(Charles Pincourt's substack)
wokedissident.substack.com/archive

Update from the man who posted the swastika meme:

"I finally got an apology for my unlawful arrest & detention and an invite to seek damages, but we are not out of the woods just yet!"

https://twitter.com/dazbrady/status/1665748579409965063?t=KFL3ZJ_220DWm0tUrpmnOg&s=19

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-letters-of-the-law/

I particularly liked this commentv(by Rufus)
Police should not police tweets but police streets.