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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

ACON in The Spectator Australia

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NotYourCisterinAus · 23/08/2022 04:20

Here's an article in The Spectator Australia on the influence ACON (the Australian version of Stonewall) has on public institutions and sporting bodies:
The Progressive Holy Trinity is Far From Divine.

It's from a conservative POV, but it's by Katherine Deves of Save Women's Sport and well worth a read.

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ClimbingCancelled · 23/08/2022 10:23

MediaWatch recently called the ABC (Aus equivalent of the BBC, so-called independent); out for not covering the Tavistock closure and a senior producer said she thought it 'wasn't relevant', even though most Australian clinics are modelled on the Tavistock.

It surprises me that Australians aren't following this more, that 'tru-blu' culture - you'd have thought that the no-nonsense reputation Australians have would call this out. But Australia tends to follow the USA more closely than Britain, has this come their way via American academia?

Read recently that West Australia are trying for self-ID.

Link to the report and the Premier's announcement here:

www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02xFmYjzPr2EkUPVLCyu5M3WDBwHHaTSm3vKp5hUSAph2mgFQcb7xsB1jnoTQLi5PLl&id=107062111256295

Pretty scary and I am wondering how we British women can help.

www.binary.org.au/new_wa_laws_will_let_you_identify_as_any_gender_you_want?fbclid=IwAR0bnSpPJlAGxWsQ8l_4s6I6E-MVWKs1saagyoGwpbFUIyDzRmTLsnNcEJA

ClimbingCancelled · 23/08/2022 10:25

NotYourCisterinAus · 23/08/2022 04:20

Here's an article in The Spectator Australia on the influence ACON (the Australian version of Stonewall) has on public institutions and sporting bodies:
The Progressive Holy Trinity is Far From Divine.

It's from a conservative POV, but it's by Katherine Deves of Save Women's Sport and well worth a read.

P.S. This is a great article but I wonder if Deves is the best person to have her name against it - Tony Abbott endorsing her in the fed elections means that most of the country will know her as a far-right religious nutter. Which isn't true from what I've heard, but it's an easy way to dismiss women

NotBadConsidering · 23/08/2022 10:54

Kath Deves is a perfectly normal person with perfectly normal views, you know, like males shouldn’t be in women’s and girls’ sport. The fact that people think she’s a far right religious nutter is because of the ABC printing lies about her.

NotYourCisterinAus · 23/08/2022 11:12

I 100% agree with that last comment. If I had a dollar for every time the ABC called her "transphobic" during the election I'd be a wealthy, wealthy woman.

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Helleofabore · 23/08/2022 11:21

If I remember correctly, some of the issues with Kath was that she wasn’t even a member of the Liberal party before candidacy.

Really, people should read up more.

The media threw so much at her from not even being a Liberal member being put in as a candidate, to calling her transphobic any opportunity they had!

ClimbingCancelled · 23/08/2022 15:20

It's the affiliation with Tony Abbott which stopped many left and centre people from listening to her. Plus the media lies of course, contorting everything she said.

NotYourCisterinAus · 24/08/2022 01:29

@ClimbingCancelled - You were wondering how you could help? Well Women's Forum Australia is hosting a couple of relevant petitions, including ones about men in women's prisons and women's sports. They allow people from all countries to sign.
I'm not going to link directly to them as it might get this reply deleted.
As for how it happened in Australia: I think it's a combination of sneaking things through while most of us weren't looking, and the fact that we're a federation on a huge land mass with a smallish population.

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Helleofabore · 24/08/2022 05:11

twitter.com/qanda/status/1561518519824547842?s=21&t=yBOWy9zBZsrpUKhO8uwTfQ

I think the manel put together by ABC for this Q&A session is pretty clear in showing the depth of capture knowing that the session will cover female sports categories.

So, there are no current Australian women athletes willing to put up with the abuse and to be potentially cancelled that they would appear on this panel is what it tells me. Not after Kath Deves’ treatment.

The panel is 5 males and 1 female. So, there is significant messaging there too, even if they weren’t discussing the female category and were discussing sports ethics in purely a general sense.

WTAF is the ABC on about? I hope that Stan Grant is clear about whether women athletes and sports services providers were approached and felt they couldn’t come on or whether producers didn’t even bother.

Either the producers are sexist and never bothered, or women are too fearful for their livelihoods to speak up on national TV.

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