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Australian: Gender change agents: when pressure from outside complicates the pressures within

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NZdad · 20/08/2022 21:58

Anyone seen this?

Australian: Gender change agents: when pressure from outside complicates the pressures within

amp.theaustralian.com.au/science/gender-change-agents-when-pressure-from-outside-complicates-the-pressures-within/news-story/7b2358f2c932bda4655c53d1384d1aac

Ollie Davies was 26 and at the lowest ebb of his life when he made a decision to come out as a trans woman. “People just started suggesting that I question my gender.”

I don't have access but it looks devastating.

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Helleofabore · 20/08/2022 23:35

There are copies in archive . ph if you want to read it.

LunaLights · 20/08/2022 23:36

Social contagion…

”Ollie Davies was 26 years old and at the lowest ebb of his life when he made a decision to come out as a trans woman.

Suffering depression, anxiety and behavioural problems as well as a crisis of self-identity, he existed in what felt like a dissociative state. He had distanced himself from family. “I felt as if I had no free will,” Mr Davies says. “I was completely nihilistic and lonely and self-­hating and had no self-esteem. I was experiencing a total loss of identity and lack of sense of self.”

Mr Davies, who was openly ­bisexual, had never questioned his gender identity as a child or young adult. But when people within his group of queer activist friends repeatedly suggested to him that he was trans, he began to believe it was true.

“Ultimately it came from suggestions from others, people just started suggesting that I question my gender,” Mr Davies said.”

LunaLights · 20/08/2022 23:38

This is a devastating read…

“In the wake of the order to close London’s Tavistock Clinic, there is growing disquiet in medicine at what a British review labelled the “unquestioning affirmative approach” to gender identity and the lack of evidence base behind ­hormone treatment as the ­numbers of young people presenting with identity issues explodes. Psychiatrists want “evidence-informed ­assessment and treatment”, a stance fiercely resisted by trans health doctors who insist mental health assessments should not be part of the ­decision-making process in ­gender transitioning and that a ­diagnosis of gender dysphoria is not even necessary to begin hormone therapy.

Ian Hickie from the University of Sydney’s Brain and Mind ­Centre, says: “I don’t think any ideological approach, either ­gender-affirming or gender-­denying is necessarily what best clinical practice is about.

“This is not a place for ideology; this is not a place for fighting other cultural or gender issues.”

When Mr Davies announced his decision to transition, the ­affirmation was immediate and intoxicating.

“Everyone I knew put trans people on a pedestal,” Mr Davies says. “It was fashionable. I knew it would be celebrated and ­promoted. At first it was euphoric. I felt like coming out as trans was my coming home and the key to everything that was wrong in my life.”

But, despite signing up for hormone therapy enthusiastically, being a woman never felt right. “These feelings of negative self-image and negative self-reflection became a downward spiral, and I kept trying to solve the problem further by being more of a woman,” he says. “And it just became more and more incongruent with who I am and what is natural for me. I came to realise it was a waste of time and a delusion.””

FrancescaContini · 21/08/2022 00:01

Yes. A delusion. Thank you for linking this.

deeperthanallroses · 21/08/2022 00:47

Who is the author?

NotYourCisterinAus · 22/08/2022 02:14

It was written by Natasha Robinson, and it was on the front page of The Weekend Australian this weekend. Nice and eye-catching for anyone browsing the Saturday papers at a newsagent or supermarket.

BenCooperSuperTrouper · 22/08/2022 02:19

It was a brilliant article. The Australian has covered this well for years. Unfortunately as The Australian is a conservative newspaper owned by Rupert Murdoch, the usual accusations of hate and right wing bigotry will be thrown around and the article will be dismissed. The progressive press in Australia is up to their necks in ACON (carbon copy of Stonewall) and seem a million years from running this type of article.

NotYourCisterinAus · 22/08/2022 04:10

If the "progressive press" isn't careful, they'll erode public trust in their reporting. I know I approached the ABC more skeptically once I started noticing the bias in their trans news stories (and what they weren't reporting). I began wondering what else they were giving slanted one-sided coverage to.

Helleofabore · 22/08/2022 05:31

Me too notyourcister. I find the ABC no longer trustworthy on this issue and question how much other content has become propaganda rather than fact based balanced reporting.

FannyCann · 22/08/2022 07:52

Ollie's story seems to have strong similarities to TullipR's experience.

FannyCann · 22/08/2022 07:58

I noticed this report from Sky news explaining some of the issues, Australia is slow to wake up and psh back but it's getting some news coverage now.

ScrollingLeaves · 22/08/2022 08:45

Mr Davies, who was openly ­bisexual, had never questioned his gender identity as a child or young adult. But when people within his group of queer activist friends repeatedly suggested to him that he was trans, he began to believe it was true.

“Ultimately it came from suggestions from others, people just started suggesting that I question my gender,” Mr Davies said.”

This is particularly worrying and why it so wrong that children are being officially indoctrinated at primary school by being taught there are ‘gender identities’; by being affirmed; by so called LGBTQ+ clubs for children at school; by city creative arts clubs being labelled as LGBTQA+/ gender questioning for 11 - 15 year olds; by DQST for pre-schoolers and primary aged children at libraries - this is all a form of propaganda and nudging, pressure and manipulation, towards very young people.

It is little wonder that when they feel depressed and look for a cause they think they are in the wrong body.

NotBadConsidering · 22/08/2022 09:48

Helleofabore · 22/08/2022 05:31

Me too notyourcister. I find the ABC no longer trustworthy on this issue and question how much other content has become propaganda rather than fact based balanced reporting.

The ABC are not having it their own way though. Look at the reaction to this story:

https://mobile.twitter.com/abcnews/status/1561103725514543104

Everyone calling it out for what it is, people drawing attention to their relationship with ACON as well. The lack of coverage of the Tavistock was addressed on Media Watch last week and on Wednesday ABC Radio Sydney hosted someone who was concerned. I think Australia is at a tipping point.

ScrollingLeaves · 22/08/2022 09:56

FannyCann · Today 07:58
I noticed this report from Sky news explaining some of the issues, Australia is slow to wake up and psh back but it's getting some news coverage now.

That report was very good, I thought. It is so difficult for people to understand what is really going on, but in this report some very important points of concern were simply, and clearly explained.

Helleofabore · 22/08/2022 10:17

Fingers crossed notbad that at least the ABC will be forced to be more balanced. But I also hope that with more and more discussion that Australia will start to put the brakes on.

nauticant · 22/08/2022 12:37

If the "progressive press" isn't careful, they'll erode public trust in their reporting.

Helen Pidd from The Guardian was on Any Questions on Radio 4 at the weekend. Apart from being strongly biased in everything she said, on a few occasions she gave a version of stories in the news that although were recognisable, didn't reflect the actual facts. On at least two occasions, other panellists had to correct her versions with the facts. In other words, she saw her contribution as a journalist not to be factually correct but rather to be ideologically correct. Helen Pidd isn't just another The Guardian journalist though, she's a step above and is the paper's North of England editor.

This was on general stuff rather than on gender stuff.

Helleofabore · 24/08/2022 09:30

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4618227-australian-detransitioner-suing-psychiatrist-over-lack-of-care?reply=119470994

This is a case from Jay a female detransitioner.

I would say the tide is certainly slowing and the questions are being raised formally and firmly. This is another brave woman who is going to create change around the world with this case, whether she wins or not. The questions need to be answered and the detransitioner voices will be heard.

Affirming only should never have been allowed to become so powerful.

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