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Dundee man leads fight against period poverty

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PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 15/08/2022 21:52

“It’s about making people aware of the availability of period products for anyone of any gender, whenever they need it.

... '“I was chosen as the best person for the job and for me, it’s irrespective of gender.

“Having a guy can’t be a bad thing – it grabs the headlines, but that’s not the reason I was put into post!” Jason continues.

“For me it’s about driving the discussion from a young age so boys and girls are included and there’s no hiding it away because that keeps it as a taboo topic.

“I want to be seen as a positive male role model.”'

www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/3593497/dundee-man-leading-period-poverty-fight-how-to-get-free-products/

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SpidersAreShitheads · 16/08/2022 11:14

Fenlandia · 16/08/2022 10:42

"Lived experience" is such a buzzword these days. It's hard to get your novel published if the characters are of a different ethnicity to the author. But women's unique physical experiences? Come on in blokey, do tell us all about it!

I know. I do hate using those wanky buzzwords that are so prevalent but in this case I think it's probably a genuinely useful requirement.

hattie43 · 16/08/2022 11:27

Is there no area of life men don't want to be involved in .

ChagSameachDoreen · 16/08/2022 11:39

I'm surprised auld Mridul Wadhwa didn't apply.

FannyCann · 16/08/2022 11:53

His twitter profile is forever.

twitter.com/fondofbeetles/status/1559291140737843207?s=21

Dundee man leads fight against period poverty
Asenseof · 16/08/2022 11:54

#mansplaining

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 12:02

littlbrowndog · 16/08/2022 10:50

The picture.

"So, guys - we're all guys here, right? - this is what we call a sanitary towel. Menstruating people put this on their non-gender-specific genitals sometimes. Any questions? Do you feel uncomfortable? You shouldn't, because I'm totally cool with all this."

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SpidersAreShitheads · 16/08/2022 12:11

ChagSameachDoreen · 16/08/2022 11:39

I'm surprised auld Mridul Wadhwa didn't apply.

Ha! That crossed my mind earlier today @ChagSameachDoreen - I guess small mercies, eh?!

houseonthehill · 16/08/2022 13:09

Maybe there was a swap...

prostatecanceruk.org/about-us/who-we-are/our-people?category=

I believe this is only one of a number of similar positions across Scotland, and both women and men have taken them up, is that right? As it's a project management position, I guess exclusion from EO legislation isn't possible.

bellinisurge · 16/08/2022 13:28

Massive red flag about a man that wants to talk to women and girls about periods. It's another episode in the "women! Ignore your instincts!"

EveSix · 16/08/2022 13:30

ThereIsNoLight, you're absolutely right. My anecdote is just that, a recollection of an event which sits separately from my initial statement. Perhaps a bit sentimental and irrelevant in this context, but hardly warranting the eye-roll vibe of your unicorn remark, unless I imagined that.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 16/08/2022 13:35

PowerPack · 16/08/2022 08:22

On the basis that these roles haven't existed would there be any women who can easily demonstrate "a proven track history of engaging and empowering "in particular young people who menstruate."?

Yes. School nurses, female nurses in general, female teachers/ teaching assistants just off the top of my head.

also, just a bit of personal experience, maybe?

Discovereads · 16/08/2022 13:41

Absolutely nothing to qualify him for this role as an expert in menstruation.

This role isn’t for an expert in menstruation.

And turning to the question of whether it's purely an administrative role - it's very clearly not. Photo here of Jason and another beardy man delivering information about periods to a mother and her daughter. This is not a distant project manager role. This is hands on delivery of information to service users.

Project management is an administrative role. Full stop. The photo is normal government PR. There is no hands on delivery of information to service users.

There's clearly a hands-on element, with a man delivering education about periods to young girls.

No there really isn’t.
Here is the job description
www.myjobscotland.gov.uk/education/dundee-and-angus-college/jobs/period-dignity-regional-lead-officer-280621

Discovereads · 16/08/2022 13:46

SpidersAreShitheads · 16/08/2022 08:52

There are four women working on the team with him, presumably furnishing him with the knowledge that he doesn't have. None of them could have done the job? And the fact it's not some amazing position underlines my previous point that I really do doubt that he was the sole candidate capable of this.

I think there would be people queuing up for the job because it's the first of its kind and carries a real kudos. The salary is comparable to NHS/nursing pay and there are many women with history in nursing/healthcare who would have exactly the knowledge and skills to deliver this. The other examples I gave of YOS workers would typically be on £25-30k so this would be the next logical career step up.

I am not going to tie myself up in knots trying to explain why this decision is a good one. I went looking for information before I jumped to any conclusions and everything absolutely stinks.

Honestly am really surprised that any woman, especially on a feminism board, thinks this is OK.

No, the four women are the Working Group and he works for them as part of their Project Team.

The Period Dignity Working Group comprises Katie Baxter (Dundee and Angus College), Shelley Hague (Angus Council), Jill Brash (Dundee City Council) and Deborah Lally (Perth College). A spokesperson for the Working Group added, “Taking a regional approach is the best way forward for us as it ensures we are maximising our funding, resources and the wealth of knowledge across our organisations for the benefit of our Tay Cities. Employing Jason was a no-brainer with his vast experience in project management from both the private and public sectors, coupled with his passion for making a difference to the people in our community, period!”

What not ok about a man doing the admin grunt work for the female leaders of the period dignity campaign?

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 13:49

Why is the admin grunt in the paper as the face of the campaign? He's not an admin, the job is 'Period Dignity Regional Lead Officer'.

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PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 13:49

"The Lead Officer will provide outstanding project leadership and management for a range of activities, events, and outcomes. This will include engaging with staff, partners, communities and young people"

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PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 13:50

"a successful track record of engaging and empowering a large range of people from a diverse range of cultural and socio-economic backgrounds, in particular young people who menstruate"

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TooBigForMyBoots · 16/08/2022 13:51

What fucking fuckwittery is this? Is he a freemason or something?

Discovereads · 16/08/2022 13:51

SpidersAreShitheads · 16/08/2022 08:59

One of the comments I made elsewhere was about last year when I had to go to the breast care unit about a scary lump.

The entire clinic were women. Consultants, nurses, cleaners, reception staff, radiographers.

I wasn't expecting that but it was bloody wonderful. I felt so heard. Of course a male doctor could have carried out the technical processes, and imparted the information. But I was very, very anxious and scared and there were wonderful nurses who shared their own experiences of mammograms and breast lumps and oh my goodness, it was so comforting.

A male teacher delivering a PHSE lesson is not the same as a bloke who's been appointed as the menstruation guru. How the hell can he understand the nuances that come with having periods, or the worries that young girls have? How is he a relatable figure? How will girls ask him the excruciating questions they might have? And how will women going through the menopause feel that he's able and qualified to understand their issues when he has absolutely ZERO medical training or knowledge about anything, let alone any speciality in menstruation.

This isn't just about chucking a few tampons around and showing a diagram. It's breaking down taboos and actively engaging a female community, including those who traditionally may not have found information accessible such as minority groups. But balls to them, eh? As long as Jason is a "positive male role model", it's all good. Bah!!

A male teacher delivering a PHSE lesson is not the same as a bloke who's been appointed as the menstruation guru.

He hasn’t been appointed as a menstruation guru.

How will girls ask him the excruciating questions they might have? And how will women going through the menopause feel that he's able and qualified to understand their issues when he has absolutely ZERO medical training or knowledge about anything, let alone any speciality in menstruation.

Thats not the role of a project manager. No girl or woman will be asking questions of him regarding periods or menopause. Project management is not a healthcare provider role. It is administrative and about coordinating the efforts of local authorities and educational institutions to implement the vision of the all-female working group who are leading the campaign.

Discovereads · 16/08/2022 13:52

RoyalCorgi · 16/08/2022 09:27

Honestly am really surprised that any woman, especially on a feminism board, thinks this is OK.

I am too. It's like appointing a white person to advise Black people on racism, or a heterosexual to advise on gay sexual health. It's utterly insulting.

He won’t be advising women/girls on periods.

Discovereads · 16/08/2022 13:56

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 13:49

Why is the admin grunt in the paper as the face of the campaign? He's not an admin, the job is 'Period Dignity Regional Lead Officer'.

He is a project manager, which is an admin function. The low salary of £33k indicates it is an entry level PM position. Project manager is a generic job title, so everyone is given a job title to indicate which project they are managing.

“The Lead Officer will provide outstanding project leadership and management for a range of activities, events, and outcomes.”

To develop and implement a project plan in collaboration with the educational institutions and Local Authorities.

To deliver the vision, aspirations and transformations in awareness, engagement, culture and inclusiveness which underpins the Period Product Act.

Develop strong, positive working relationships with all members of the Working Group to gather localised information on a regular basis, ready to report and promote.

Coordinate marketing campaigns to raise awareness of our regional approach to eradicating period poverty, creating a strong and consistent media presence (social and traditional media) to normalise and make visible.

Coordinate the creation of a project landing page, gathering and providing all necessary information relating to the availability and location of products in our communities, associated activities and opportunities and links to nationwide information.

Provide support to the project team in identifying, developing and facilitating events and activities that engage our communities and young people, creating opportunities for learning, networking, and accessing free products, (with a particular focus on identifying barriers to access and reducing the stigma around menstruation and period products.

etc.

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 14:01

Did you miss this bit, Discovereads?

"This will include engaging with staff, partners, communities and young people"

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Discovereads · 16/08/2022 14:03

I think there would be people queuing up for the job because it's the first of its kind and carries a real kudos. The salary is comparable to NHS/nursing pay and there are many women with history in nursing/healthcare who would have exactly the knowledge and skills to deliver this. The other examples I gave of YOS workers would typically be on £25-30k so this would be the next logical career step up.

I was a female PM. Myself all the female PMs would avoid this job like the plague. PM is a male dominated career field and for decades we have had to fight to not be automatically relegated to womens issues projects and be assigned or hired to manage the more high profile (traditionally done by a man) projects.

Qualifications in nursing/healthcare are irrelevant to project management. That’s not the technical skills involved at all. Look up PRINCE2 qualification course modules for an idea as to what project management involves.

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 14:05

'• Coordinating an approach to Period Dignity across Tayside which will include advising on good practice'

'6. Represent the project team'
...
9. Work in different environments (both office based and outreach)

He's doing outreach, he's representing the team, he's advising on good practise. This is not office based admin, that is just one part of the role. Bit baffled why you are pushing the 'filing paperwork' idea so hard, when the job description is right there for everyone to read.

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Discovereads · 16/08/2022 14:08

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 14:01

Did you miss this bit, Discovereads?

"This will include engaging with staff, partners, communities and young people"

As you know from the other thread…

In this context “engaging” is about ensuring participation from the bottom up in data gathering. It’s basically gathering requirements. And it’s not going to be face to face with the target population given the scope, it’s going to be directing the project team to put out surveys and to do research with representatives from/at the Local Authorities and educational institutions.

PrimAndProperPearlClutcher · 16/08/2022 14:08

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-62563165

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