Still not clear to me - language permitted on MN.

[JellySaurus]

Now that it has been confirmed that it is legitimate to express the belief that people cannot change sex, are we allowed to use sex-accurate pronouns when posting on MN in all cases where the poster believes she is referring to a male, and not just in cases where the male being referred to has been found guilty of committing a serious assault or a sexual offence?

@MNHQ I’d be very interested to hear an answer to this too.

I’m not even allowed to use the words “st#nn#ng” or “br#ve”.

At one point we were told off/deleted for saying 'transwomen are men' which is about as clear a statement of the protected belief as there is. But definitely told we couldn't say that since it was ruled a protected belief. Maybe MN believed the hype that a protected belief didn't also allow manifestation of that belief? Because if that were the case you also couldn't declare TWAW

Given the recent legal cases I would be surprised if we couldn't express a legitimately held belief that sex is immutable. As long as that is done with respect for the people who believe it isn't.

No, of course you can't misgender individuals! Don't be ridiculous.

Could you believe the outcry... Heaven help us.

I’m not talking about misgendering. That’s something you might do if you believe in the trans ideology.

It all feels terribly random to me and is most likely linked to the monitors who report posts they do not like.

Quite - I don't 'gender' people as I think gender is a regressive oppressive set of social norms. I use pronouns to refer to sex.

We are definite not allowed to mention the scientific word for penises “ready for action” if that penis belongs to a transwoman. Especially not in connection with little girls.

it is no difference if this is based on a real life incident and police reports. I will call it “penis ready for action” from now on, just so I don’t offend anyone. I would advise you all to do the same 😀

I’m just thinking Action Penis now

@Deliriumoftheendless you are way ahead of me. I am just thinking “ready for action”, please take it elsewhere 🤣

Don't be ridiculous, it would not be "naice" nor "in the spirit" and we wouldn't be centering the feelings of those with identities...

I think I was deleted for referring to a a certain "professional body" as a religious word starting with c.

Don't think Toblerone language is permitted now.

Yes, in the light of Maya and Allison's decisions the bar for what can be said has surely been lifted quite a bit? After all, Stonewall can now legitimately be described as sexist, homophobic, seriously detrimental to women....

Now you see I read that and thought eh? Why? And then in my head I'm going I mean it's only a chocolate bar with pieces that are like little pea.....ahhhhh! Got it!

Seriously is that not allowed?

I got a deletion for saying "hurty feelz" because it's NITS

But 'sky fairy' is acceptable.

It's all so pathetic.

We all KNOW what we're talking about.

We know the three letter acronym that explains most of what is going on here,
Am I allowed to say "three letter acronym"?

Who decides on any given day what is and is not acceptable to say?
As far as I am concerned if you are stating a BIOLOGICAL fact, a provable, immutable, established TRUTH (ie that transwomen are male), then having a deletion or strike for stating that is ridiculous.
And against freedom of speech.

And yes, things like "sky fairy" and referring to people's strictly held religious beliefs is up for grabs, but we cannot state obvious facts?
Because "trans" is a sacred caste apparently.

I can understand why using the three letter acronym could be seen as NITS. If an adherent of the trans ideology cannot see your point of view, it would not be acceptable to label them as having ASD just because their theory of mind has similarities to that of an autistic person. Though if a Tw openly states that they have a certain paraphilia, it should be acceptable for us to use that Tw's terminology about that particular individual.

But pronouns are a deeper issue.

Our right to speak about what we see has been established in law. We do not ask to be able to say "Ner-ner-ner you're a he!". We ask to be able to speak truth.

We can only speak truth when a transwoman has earned that right for us by actually harming a woman.

Do we have that right to speak truth respectfully on our own?