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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transgender cyclist blasts USA Cycling for revoking silver medal

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Helleofabore · 02/08/2022 10:41

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/1/usa-cycling-accused-transphobia-stripping-trans-cy/

I have been watching for this story after seeing this cyclist mentioned on Twitter as Leia 'Gaines' which didn't seem right. It has now come about that the cyclists name is Leia Genis, a 25 yr old male cyclist who had been awarded second place.

I am off to see what I can find as to why the decision has been reversed. It seems they were known so this is not a new issue.

www.binary.org.au/male_cyclist_thrashes_his_female_counterparts

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PurpleWisteria · 02/08/2022 12:09

Only question that needs to be asked.

Do you have a penis? If the answer is yes then you don't compete against real women.

Simples.

chilliesandspices · 02/08/2022 12:09

Lilithslove · 02/08/2022 12:05

I think that being disappointed that a medal you thought was yours being revoked after the fact is a pretty normal reaction that most people will have.

Whether or not Leia should have been in the race in the first place is another matter but I can't be angry that she's expressing disappointment.

I have to agree. It's not like Leia turned up and coasted along during the race, it was a lot of hard work. Imagine the elation of coming second only to be told after the event that you shouldn't have been there at all.

I don't think it's fair for transgender athletes to compete against women but I totally understand Leia's disappointment.

Helleofabore · 02/08/2022 12:09

Helleofabore · 02/08/2022 11:39

Yes I think the guidelines need to be clear for everyone

I think that competing in the female category now is comes down to at least two types of male.

Those who simply don't understand that they have the advantages and have been led to believe that should have every possible right to enter female sports by those holding extreme views on inclusion.

And those that hold those similar extreme views.

I will keep my thoughts brief as I don't want to be deleted.

There ARE transitioned male athletes who choose not to compete as females even if that is an option for them. They are probably quite rare, but they are out there.

There ARE also transitioned male athletes who have come to understand as they have matured and the studies have come through who have changed their minds about any males' eligibility to compete in a female category. Mianne Bagger is a good example of this (they contributed to this INSIGHT debate in the lead up to the Australian election).

At what point, with the current discussions being very well publicised, do transitioned males not take responsibility for their decisions to compete in a female sports category.

Or, have these supposedly adult males taken the 'safe' route of not listening to any argument and just labelling everything that doesn't reinforce their view as 'hate'.

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SunThroughTheCloudsAt6am · 02/08/2022 12:13

"“It feels unreal that one year ago I had never entered a bike race and now I’ve raced and won in another country. I’m quite proud of myself"

it's about halfway down this article helleofabore

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/1/usa-cycling-accused-transphobia-stripping-trans-cy/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

mrshoho · 02/08/2022 12:14

Helleofabore · 02/08/2022 12:06

But, if this person failed a testosterone test, isn't that the same as drugs testing. The revoking of a place with a failed drugs test happens the same way.

If they did not know about a change in policy, then why should they not have to deal with the penalty, in this case exclusion. It seem infantilising if the policy changed before entries accepted.

If the policy changed after entries were accepted, then by all means, there is a case here if the entrants were not properly notified and refunds offered.

That's right. These cyclists would have been fully aware of the changes. They are elite athletes. They have a responsibility to ensure they meet the requirements and should be big enough to withdraw if they don't.

Helleofabore · 02/08/2022 12:15

Thanks. Right there in front of my eyes and I missed it!!

thank you.

So… racing for a year, instant success because they won an event in 2021.

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nightshade · 02/08/2022 12:20

Sport is a human right?..really?..i wonder what Article it is under in the Human Rights Act...

I know there is a lot of focus on trans gender but would be interesting to know whether the amount of trans women in sport is reflective or higher than in the general population..

Helleofabore · 02/08/2022 12:25

Sport may or may not be officially recognized as a right.

However, playing sport in a category reserved for females when you are male is NOT a right. After all, those males can participate in male sport still. No one is blocking that.

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KatVonlabonk · 02/08/2022 12:27

Ross Tucker believes this person fell foul of the rule change.

And worrying also believes they may be able to compete in the future.

And I totally agree with Ross about the comments from the women this person beat. She definitely deserves a gold for handmaidenry.

Transgender cyclist blasts USA Cycling for revoking silver medal
Justme56 · 02/08/2022 12:29

www.binary.org.au/male_cyclist_thrashes_his_female_counterparts

I think this person has been involved in other controversial decisions. In this particular road race they were 19 minutes ahead of the first female rider. The time gaps between the female riders who finished 2nd, 3rd etc were a lot less significant.

Artichokeleaves · 02/08/2022 12:32

Helleofabore · 02/08/2022 12:25

Sport may or may not be officially recognized as a right.

However, playing sport in a category reserved for females when you are male is NOT a right. After all, those males can participate in male sport still. No one is blocking that.

This ^^

Entitlement to be indulged as having a protected characteristic that you in fact do not because you want to be, is not a right and should not be a right. The word 'right' gets thrown around like confetti, and it's come to mean nothing more than 'don't say no to me, I deserve it', like a bloody shampoo commercial.

MrGHardy · 02/08/2022 18:26

"I deserve the right to race."

Sure, against the other men.

JacquelinePot · 02/08/2022 22:19

I'll save my sympathy for woman who was bumped to bronze, and the real bronze winner whose moment on the podium was stolen by someone who shouldn't have been in the race in the first place

NitroNine · 03/08/2022 02:36

It’s not as if the UDHR is long. Double-checking with the magic of tech, the word “sport” does not appear at all.

People do go banging on about their Human Rights without any idea of what that actually means though. Not getting your own way is not, in fact, a breach of your Human Rights. The very concept of “Human Rights” is becoming damaged in some places by this sort of nonsense The people who shout most loudly about their rights would almost universally benefit from checking out:
Article 29
1. Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
Because the idea that they in fact have responsibilities, not just rights, has apparently never occurred 🙄
(For avoidance all doubt, I do not mean those people who manage to make noise about their rights being breached despite their situation or on escaping it etc. I mean people who try to assert that whatever suits their agenda = a human right & seemingly wouldn’t know the UDHR if it bit them.)

And of course, while the courts have been hammering it home lately: segregation of sports by biological sex doesn’t breach anyone’s Human Rights. However, people have the right (Art 19) to hold & express gender critical views. Women also have the right (Art 20) to protest about male violence, hold meetings & discuss whatever they wish - the violence & intimidation they face for doing so actually IS an infringement of their rights.

Article 19
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 20
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.

Namerchangerextraordinaire · 03/08/2022 03:20

Since when is sport a "human right" & who is stopping this person from cycling in mixed sex or mens races?

It was never their medal to win or race to enter.

Dinoteeth · 03/08/2022 05:19

JacquelinePot · 02/08/2022 22:19

I'll save my sympathy for woman who was bumped to bronze, and the real bronze winner whose moment on the podium was stolen by someone who shouldn't have been in the race in the first place

Exactly.

I think everywhere people are waking up to realise that transwomen have an unfair advantage and will ruin women's sports if they are allowed to compete.
The tide is slowly turning.

Oblomov22 · 03/08/2022 05:30

Slowly. It's taking a long time to turn. Too slow.

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 03/08/2022 09:52

chilledbubble · 02/08/2022 10:45

It's a bit off to let someone compete and then take the medal away tbh. They should set the eligibility criteria before the race.

Yes. Simple criteria: males in men’s races, females in women’s races.

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 03/08/2022 09:55

Not getting your own way is not, in fact, a breach of your Human Rights

You’ll have trouble convincing the TRAs of that, Nitro,

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 03/08/2022 09:57

JacquelinePot · 02/08/2022 22:19

I'll save my sympathy for woman who was bumped to bronze, and the real bronze winner whose moment on the podium was stolen by someone who shouldn't have been in the race in the first place

Yes, these have my sympathy. Is anyone keeping a list of women whose medals/ places were taken by male competitors? I had an idea someone started that during last year’s Olympics, for the young weightlifters.

MrsJamin · 03/08/2022 10:18

What a flippin narcissist - love the comment below.

MrsJamin · 03/08/2022 10:21

That whole channel - I mean WTF?! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7WPeCQtjAUp4-zmIcUXOtw

beastlyslumber · 03/08/2022 10:25

I've literally zero sympathy. You cheated, you got your medal taken away. Good.

PassiveAgressiveQueen · 03/08/2022 18:55

chilliesandspices · 02/08/2022 12:09

I have to agree. It's not like Leia turned up and coasted along during the race, it was a lot of hard work. Imagine the elation of coming second only to be told after the event that you shouldn't have been there at all.

I don't think it's fair for transgender athletes to compete against women but I totally understand Leia's disappointment.

yeah they had worked so hard for the whole year they had been cycling and racing.

GreenIrishEyes · 03/08/2022 22:00

No sympathy here, except for the women cyclists who had to race against a man.