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HSE (Ireland) had concerns over trans group’s social media posts

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miri1985 · 01/08/2022 01:44

Who would have guessed it, TENI's poorly run! What gets me is it says in that article that the HSE restarted funding TENI on June 30th, how many chances can an organisation be given?

www.independent.ie/irish-news/hse-had-concerns-over-trans-groups-social-media-posts-41879729.html

"The relationship between Teni, the transgender support and lobbying group, and the State’s National Gender Service (NGS), which treats people seeking medical interventions on gender, has completely broken down.

HSE managers have raised concerns about social media posts by Teni staff, and health sources say some posts were considered abusive of staff at the NGS.

Teni, which stands for Transgender Equality Network Ireland, received €1.24m in HSE funding from 2017 to 2021 to aid work that includes training schools and HSE staff on transgender issues and hosting support groups for trans people and their families.

The non-governmental organisation, which has not obtained charitable status, had its HSE funding suspended from April to late June after repeatedly failing to meet HSE and company law deadlines to file audited accounts.

In meetings between the HSE and Teni — which was represented by Sara Phillips, its long-time chair until her resignation last month, and Tina Kolos Orban, its new chief executive — the health service raised concern about Teni’s “frayed” relationship with the NGS, records released under Freedom of Information requests show.

Teni has been critical of NGS waiting times of over two years for access to the NGS, with some 800 people on the waiting list.

In a presentation to the HSE, Teni complained that the NGS had “closed off” alternative routes to healthcare.

Teni said without HSE funding there would be a reduction in its support services, an increase in the use of online hormone treatment, and increased pressure on HSE mental health services. It predicted “increased drug-use, self-harm and suicidality in the community”.

It presented an overview of its primary and post-primary school transgender awareness training, which includes working on transition plans for students in schools, and “correct language use”.

Teni complained it had seen “continuous attacks on the community from the media”. It called for supports for “building affirming families, schools, workplaces and communities.” Social media and public comments by some Teni staff have included strong criticism of the NGS.

Shoshanna Éirénne Carroll, Teni’s former CEO who resigned last year, accused the NGS of behaving criminally by denying her surgery. She said it had a “phobic” leadership.

Keeva Lilith Ferreyra-Carroll, Teni’s national community development officer, has tweeted that the NGS accused her of libel for posting about her experiences, and said it cut off professional relations with Teni.

In an April 1 letter to John Meehan, head of the HSE’s National Office of Suicide Prevention, Ms Phillips said the sudden passing of the organisation’s bookkeeper delayed Teni finalising its 2020 accounts. Ms Phillips said she wrote to Dr Karl Neff at the NGS to request a meeting about their relationship.

Ms Phillips was aware there had been “a breakdown in communications” between the service and Teni’s previous CEO, but was “unaware of the issues”. She said she was “happy to repair any damage caused in the past”.

At a May 19 meeting with the HSE, Ms Phillips and Ms Orban said Teni was committed to “strengthening governance systems” and working with the HSE to find solutions to the problems facing the gender service.

The HSE raised concerns about “the use of social media by staff from Teni”. Ms Orban said “these will be addressed with all staff concerned”. The HSE shared its own social media guidelines.

At a second meeting on June 8, the HSE said that to rebuild trust, Teni would have to meet reporting deadlines set out in a new service level agreement.

Ms Phillips said Teni was in a “serious situation” because of its funding suspension.

A bank overdraft was used “to keep the organisation afloat” but €46,000 of a €50,000 facility had been spent.

At a third meeting on June 16, Mr Meehan said Teni had by now supplied much of the information requested. Ms Phillips apologised and said she was confident Teni would comply with reporting requirements under its new leadership.

Ms Orban said she had investigated staff use of social media. Teni’s policy had been reviewed and it would “work to protect staff and funders”. It acknowledged relationships with the NGS were “frayed”.

Mr Meehan offered to write to the NGS to encourage engagement with Teni’s new leadership.

At the meeting, Teni agreed to return HSE funding for a training programme that did not take place because of Covid. HSE funding was restored on June 30.

Teni did not respond to questions last week.

The HSE said Section 39-funded organisations are not required to submit guidelines on social media usage.

“However, it’s a reasonable expectation that organisations have their own guidelines on responsible social media usage for their staff in place,” it said.

“This item was discussed and satisfactorily resolved with Teni.”

It said no meeting between Teni and the NGS has since taken place.

In the UK last week, the Tavistock clinic in London that treated trans children said it was to close after a review found its model of care put patients at “considerable risk”.

Tavistock received referrals for 234 Irish patients between 2011 and 2021.

The youngest was a five-year old girl referred in 2019.

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NitroNine · 01/08/2022 04:05

Are the Irish Independent trying to get themselves put on the boycotted too? 😁

Teni think they’re Teflon. Just the fact that anything’s been said; & moreover that it’s been publicised as having been said - huge.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 01/08/2022 08:56

it's really striking just how amateurish almost all of the TRA organisations are

Thelnebriati · 01/08/2022 12:58

But they seem to have no trouble getting enormous amounts of money.

Abhannmor · 01/08/2022 13:07

At the risk of trivialising the issues - I love the fanciful names these blokes appropriate fit themselves.
Figures from Irish mythology and old pagan goddesses.
Although many of them are not Irish. Which is why its a bit rich to complain that we GC ppl are dupes of British colonialism!
Nobody complained about British ppl helping us during Equal Marriage or Repeal
Hypocrites.

NitroNine · 01/08/2022 13:57

@Abhannmor
I do sometimes wonder if some of the TRAs on Twitter can actually pronounce their chosen names 🤨

Doesn’t seem to happen so much with TM as TW 🤔

ScreamingMeMe · 02/08/2022 09:23

From twitter

Sam Blanckensee, Incoming Chair Transgender Equality Network Ireland (TENI), speaking at one of the government's Shared Island events praises the presence of "very young trans people" 7/8 years old at TENI's Pride breakfast event ahead of Dublin Pride.

t.co/1hJuDzujwz

"TENI always has a breakfast the morning of Dublin Pride, and my favourite thing about it is the young people – and when I say young people I mean seven and eight years olds – coming in with their parents, so young, very young trans people...

...who discovered their identity probably during the pandemic, whose parents are maybe struggling, and for the first time they’re meeting friends, they’re making friends with people with a similar identity to them in a similar space"

The video can be found courtesy of Merrion Street News here:

t.co/AW5S4LyLKY

The clip is taken from c. 19:20 to c. 20 mins into the full video.

Sam Blanckensee requests the pronouns he/they and is a "non-binary trans masculine person"

t.co/FBRRdRF1HL

Cailleach1 · 02/08/2022 10:08

Abhannmor · 01/08/2022 13:07

At the risk of trivialising the issues - I love the fanciful names these blokes appropriate fit themselves.
Figures from Irish mythology and old pagan goddesses.
Although many of them are not Irish. Which is why its a bit rich to complain that we GC ppl are dupes of British colonialism!
Nobody complained about British ppl helping us during Equal Marriage or Repeal
Hypocrites.

I completely agree with your reflections! Also, homosexuality was decriminalised in the UK in 1967. It wasn't decriminalised in Ireland until 1993. You don't hear O'Gorman et al go on about rights being foreign, imported British notions on that issue. Very selective and self-interested views on rights and who should have them. New church replaces old church.

FionaMacCool · 02/08/2022 11:44

What the hell is going on that TENI can get away with such poor governance?

I volunteer on the board of a vvvvvvvvv small charity group, like it's tiny. But our Accountants are all over our finances each year to ensure that we comply with all legislation, that our grant funding is receipted as having been spent as it should have been. Our safeguarding-training for all staff is a priority; and there would be big implications if there was anything untoward posted by staff/board/manager etc., on social media.

TENI are a national level organisation- I cannot wrap my head around how they have gotten away with not submitting accounts.

elgreco · 02/08/2022 12:14

The names are mad, aren't they. Maybe they claim that their lady brains can't do sums.

Abhannmor · 02/08/2022 12:23

ScreamingMeMe · 02/08/2022 09:23

From twitter

Sam Blanckensee, Incoming Chair Transgender Equality Network Ireland (TENI), speaking at one of the government's Shared Island events praises the presence of "very young trans people" 7/8 years old at TENI's Pride breakfast event ahead of Dublin Pride.

t.co/1hJuDzujwz

"TENI always has a breakfast the morning of Dublin Pride, and my favourite thing about it is the young people – and when I say young people I mean seven and eight years olds – coming in with their parents, so young, very young trans people...

...who discovered their identity probably during the pandemic, whose parents are maybe struggling, and for the first time they’re meeting friends, they’re making friends with people with a similar identity to them in a similar space"

The video can be found courtesy of Merrion Street News here:

t.co/AW5S4LyLKY

The clip is taken from c. 19:20 to c. 20 mins into the full video.

Sam Blanckensee requests the pronouns he/they and is a "non-binary trans masculine person"

t.co/FBRRdRF1HL

Jaysus. More red flags than you can shake a stick at here. The 'get them young agenda ' in plain sight.

I agree with him on one point though : it's likely lots of kids decided they were trans during lockdown. 2 years of YouTube , Tik tok and worse. Plenty of time for social contagion.

Abhannmor · 02/08/2022 12:30

@FionaMacCool What do they know ? And who do they know it about ? Very dodgy.

Yes @Cailleach1 it's funny buy I can't recall the O Gormans , Labour or Soc Dems of this world protesting about Colonialism during the Troubles. Indeed quite the reverse. Now they go all Tiocfaidh on us . How strange.

Cailin66 · 02/08/2022 12:55

Abhannmor · 01/08/2022 13:07

At the risk of trivialising the issues - I love the fanciful names these blokes appropriate fit themselves.
Figures from Irish mythology and old pagan goddesses.
Although many of them are not Irish. Which is why its a bit rich to complain that we GC ppl are dupes of British colonialism!
Nobody complained about British ppl helping us during Equal Marriage or Repeal
Hypocrites.

Would these two be related I wonder?

Shoshanna Éirénne Carroll, Teni’s former CEO
Keeva Lilith Ferreyra-Carroll

FionaMacCool · 02/08/2022 13:38

Are we allowed to comment on the appearance of both of these people?

While anyone is allowed to dress as they wish, and refer to themselves as they wish; in instances such as these, I do not wish to have my terminology or descriptions, compelled.

For those who might then announce "be kind"... well, kindness is reciprocal or else it's exploitation.

Fenlandia · 02/08/2022 14:10

1.24 million euros is a lot of cash when TENI themselves say there are about 5,000 trans people in Ireland - that's enough public cash to give every one of them 250 euros each!

(Citation - linked in this piece by the grassroots feminist group The Countess thecountess.ie/teni-policies/)

Abhannmor · 02/08/2022 14:21

Fenlandia · 02/08/2022 14:10

1.24 million euros is a lot of cash when TENI themselves say there are about 5,000 trans people in Ireland - that's enough public cash to give every one of them 250 euros each!

(Citation - linked in this piece by the grassroots feminist group The Countess thecountess.ie/teni-policies/)

So there are twice as many transgender people as Jewish people in Ireland. Yeah right.

I'd put the real figure in the dozens rather than thousands.

NitroNine · 03/08/2022 08:57

Abhannmor · 02/08/2022 14:21

So there are twice as many transgender people as Jewish people in Ireland. Yeah right.

I'd put the real figure in the dozens rather than thousands.

Just how big an umbrella are TENI using, I wonder 🤨

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