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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Where is the Labour Party

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ChristinaXYZ · 31/07/2022 11:45

In the light of the several significant things that have happened over the last few days re women's rights where is the Labour Party. They are the official opposition. Where is the statement demanding an enquiry into how the Tavistock mess could have taken so many years to uncover and address? where is the statement on women's rights in the work place post Alliosn Bailey's success? Where is the statement about women's safety in sports such as rugby?

Zip, zilch, nothing...

On the other hand they have refused Labour Women's Declaration a stand at the Labour party conference

twitter.com/soniasodha/status/1553654729011601411

Not only are the wrong on the subject of women's rights and misogynistic in their repeated lack of support for women MPs like Rosie Duffield and Luciana Berger and but they are also completely gutless.

Either too gutless to admit they are wrong and start addressing the way women's rights have been squeezed

or

too gutless to continue with their previous line on the subject thereby throwing their version of trans rights under the bus as well.

Meanwhile we have right wingers like Michael Gove praising Kemi Badenoch for her stance on the Tavistock.

The Tories have been in power a long time* and should have done something earlier but at least they have done something and can see and name the problem. They have been slow rather than hypocrites or gutless. If you cannot see and name the problem then you can and will do nothing, just like Labour.

I am so angry with them.

And whose likely to be the next leader Nandy, Creasy or Rayner? (assuming Labour capable of electing a woman) or changes-his-mind-to-suit-the-weather Wes Streeting?

On the plus side at least a few (very few) Labour MPs have signed that letter in the Guardian.

*admitted more like a series of governments rather than one Tory government

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MarshaBradyo · 31/07/2022 14:12

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/07/2022 13:56

Because I believe in women's rights @MarshaBradyo. Rights that have been so degraded under the Conservative government and continue to be so.

We are taking our eyes off the ball. This is happening now. It is happening because of Conservative government and they are doing little to put the genie back in the bottle. The little they do "say" is merely faffing about the edges. They are still in government and will spin on a sixpence when it suits them. Most of them don't give a toss about the trans issue.🤷‍♀️ Penny Mordaunt reaching the final 3 in the leadership election and her popularity among party members proves it.

Sonia Sodha is correct and we do not have the luxury of dividing the world into Goodies and Baddies. It would be catastrophic for women's rights. We need to look at the damage done, the potential damage that can be done before the next GE and those who can fix it. Now.

Not in a theoretical 2 years time.

Penny Mordaunt was a threat when she was leading, now she’s out and not even in the conversation anymore - except in your posts

She is not in the race. Part of the reason was that she struggled with TWAW issue. It did not help her win but lost her the support.

Your angst over her winning didn’t come to fruition. Tg I’m glad too

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/07/2022 15:15

SallyLockheart · 31/07/2022 14:01

Toobig. are you on the right thread? you seem to have got lost?

I am on the FWR board right? I haven't stumbled through a wormhole onto a Tory Supporters and Labour Haters thread have I?👀

ChristinaXYZ · 31/07/2022 15:47

More the pissed off floating voters thread @TooBigForMyBoots

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ChristinaXYZ · 31/07/2022 16:05

More on the subject by Labour Women's Declaration. They also note that Filia and LGB Alliance have also been refused stands.

twitter.com/LabWomenDec/status/1553640766492348417

The thread above also includes the eventbright link for a Labour Women's Declaration fringe meeting.

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ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 31/07/2022 16:41

MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/07/2022 12:02

They're either having secret discussions with the trans extremists promising that if they get into power they'll re open GIDs and put Mermaids in charge to continue the experiments on children or they're gibbering in a basement working on the Lammy formula for growing a cervix in a man.

Completely useless.

Don’t even joke about it! If someone had told me 20 years ago that in 2022 men could legally change sex and women could be arrested for saying women are adult human females — I’d have presumed they were writing a dystopian comedy script.

abcd4321 · 31/07/2022 18:38

I do not have enough 'cognitive dissonance' in me to ever vote Labour or LibDem again. I am now a free speech Conservative convert. Nobody would be more surprised by this than my younger self.

Mollyollydolly · 31/07/2022 18:52

I'm surprised Starmer cant see the parallels with the anti semitism row. Putting your head in the sand never works. It makes you culpable or stupid or both. I've been so disappointed in him on this. I thought he's have the critical faculties to allow two opposing viewpoints and informed discussion. I was wrong.
At least the Tories are having the conversation and acknowledging the arguments.
It's astonishing really that their Shadow Health person hasn't spoken about the Tavistock this week. I haven't seen any statement.
All I've seen this week is Dawn Butler congratulating Stonewall for 'winning' and Creasy trolling women posing with Drag Queens. I have frankly lost all patience with them. They don't appear to have any integrity - at all.

Mollyollydolly · 31/07/2022 18:54

Just to add .. is it Streeting still at Health? No wonder he's kept quiet, Lily Madigan's mate.

Circumferences · 31/07/2022 19:33

They have given you Britain's first Trans MP
As PP pointed out they have also given us two female prime ministers, diversity in action. Tory three, Labour nill.

An MP who fetishistically cross dresses then gets caught could easily have been Labour anyway.

LK1972 · 31/07/2022 19:39

abcd4321 · 31/07/2022 18:38

I do not have enough 'cognitive dissonance' in me to ever vote Labour or LibDem again. I am now a free speech Conservative convert. Nobody would be more surprised by this than my younger self.

Hmm, getting close to your position, but watching Labour closely. They have 2 years, they still have a chance

LK1972 · 31/07/2022 19:43

As in, I'm generally a centrist, but can't see myself voting Labour/Lib dems in the foreseeable future.

They can still come back on this issue though, they must know by now people are not buying it?

abcd4321 · 31/07/2022 19:57

LK1972 · 31/07/2022 19:43

As in, I'm generally a centrist, but can't see myself voting Labour/Lib dems in the foreseeable future.

They can still come back on this issue though, they must know by now people are not buying it?

They don't seem to care. If they can lie about this, they cannot be trusted with any policy.
'The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.' 1984

George Orwell was right and Germaine Greer was right.
We women (and children) really do not realise how much 'they' (=the lefty menz) hate us.

mrshoho · 31/07/2022 20:02

Mollyollydolly · 31/07/2022 18:54

Just to add .. is it Streeting still at Health? No wonder he's kept quiet, Lily Madigan's mate.

Yep tells you all you need to know about Labour's head in sand approach. Do they really think this is acceptable? A major NHS piece of news this week and radio silence from Wes Streeting and others.

dropthevipers · 31/07/2022 20:17

Where are Labour? Last seen heading up a well known creek with no sign of reversing.

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/07/2022 21:03

The Conservatives could sort it now and then it wouldn't really matter who came next because we would be protected. They could enshrine the right to biological, single sex spaces in the Bill of Rights.

And put the right to abortion in there too. I am disgusted and alarmed that they've said they won't.🤬

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/07/2022 21:08

Circumferences · 31/07/2022 19:33

They have given you Britain's first Trans MP
As PP pointed out they have also given us two female prime ministers, diversity in action. Tory three, Labour nill.

An MP who fetishistically cross dresses then gets caught could easily have been Labour anyway.

I'm not sure what point your making. Would you be happy with Jamie Wallace being our 4th Female PM?

And while the 1st trans MP could have come from any party, they didn't, they came from the Tory party. GC critical voters were urged to vote Conservative and in Bridgend inadvertently voted Jamie Wallace into government. Not the opposition benches.

ChristinaXYZ · 31/07/2022 21:14

And for further laughs this exchange between actress Frances Barber who has been brilliant on women's rights and her MP Emily Thornberry. Thornberry still tin eared.

twitter.com/EmilyThornberry/status/1553656918220177408

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LK1972 · 31/07/2022 21:30

TooBigForMyBoots · 31/07/2022 21:03

The Conservatives could sort it now and then it wouldn't really matter who came next because we would be protected. They could enshrine the right to biological, single sex spaces in the Bill of Rights.

And put the right to abortion in there too. I am disgusted and alarmed that they've said they won't.🤬

Can I use the old mumsnet favorite to ask: 'are you ok, hun'?

Floisme · 31/07/2022 23:51

I’m not the op but I think they
started this thread to talk about the Labour Party, not the Conservatives.

For all their whistling in the dark, Labour have got to turn around a hefty majority that’ll be further bolstered by boundary changes. They’re going to need every vote they can get. They’ve probably lost some voters for good, which is their fault entirely, but I think there are still enough bleeding hearts like me around. It’s not too late.

They haven’t got long though: two to two-and-a-half years maximum but, if the new PM wins a honeymoon period and decides to cash in early, it could be considerably less.

I’ve had it with the emotional blackmail and the whatabouting. Not interested. Come on Labour, what are you going to do?

SallyLockheart · 01/08/2022 06:50

And the Lib Dems are equally lost. And equally silent about the Tavistock

MarshaBradyo · 01/08/2022 09:18

I’m not sure but I’ve wondered do Labour receive funding from TRA type organisations

It does bind you to lies if so

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Ravenclawdropout · 01/08/2022 09:32

Labour are nowhere to be seen. Just like the leadership is absent in supporting striking workers.
Anyone who thinks Labour care about the working class, women, or children hasn't been paying attention.

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