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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Journalist told to change clothes before attending execution

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SummerIsComingNowish · 31/07/2022 10:54

news.sky.com/story/us-journalist-ordered-to-change-clothes-after-being-told-skirt-too-short-to-witness-execution-12661761

We mustn't get the men too excited now.....

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JosephineGH · 31/07/2022 13:02

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MajorCarolDanvers · 31/07/2022 13:05

It shows how normalised judicial murder is in the USA that the story is a woman's skirt length instead of the death of a human being who had to wait 3 hours for them to find a vein before killing him in front of witnesses organised by the state even when the victim's family had pleaded for leniency.

ancientgran · 31/07/2022 13:12

A man was killed after a 3 hr delay because they couldn't insert the IV and it is all about her feeling embarrassed. Talk about thinking the world revolves round you.

ancientgran · 31/07/2022 13:16

SummerIsComingNowish · 31/07/2022 11:22

Reading her statement what she posted online, she was most likely in a very respectful and professional outfit. Media is making us believe she's turned up dressed like she's going a night out in ibiza

Did she post a photo of her in the outfit? I saw a photo of her but not in the outfit. If it was so respectful and professional I'm surprised she didn't want to show us.

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 31/07/2022 13:20

Just looked up the rules and it's not a particularly clear dress code and leaves it very much to the opinion of the person on the door.

www.doc.state.al.us/docs/adminregs/ar005.pdf

"All news media representatives must present proper identification and wear proper attire as determined by the institution or center. Short pants, skort skirts, and suggestive or revealing clothing will NOT be worn and when necessary, an institution or center may require an appropriate change of clothes."

unname · 31/07/2022 13:22

All of this is so weird. I want to see the outfit but then feel awful for thinking I need to judge what’s another woman wears.

I don’t think skirts and open toed shoes belong in any prison. But then I’m not an American female reporter and have an idea that what it takes to be one is to be stellar in every way and also hot and dressed that way all the time.

MangyInseam · 31/07/2022 13:24

That isn't terribly clear and I think in general dress codes should try to be very objective. Although that tends to mean they are broad-brush to some extent.

On the other hand, reading that I would probably be careful to be as conservative as possible, and wear something like a pantsuit.

Gubu · 31/07/2022 13:27

I don't really understand the negative posts on a journalist noting she has attended previous executions. Surely an important part of the judicial system (however much I disagree with capital punishment) is the openness with which it is carried out. She's a journalist, not a rubbernecker. I can imagine a conservative dress code being required at an execution. I don't know what she wore or how it complied or not but if it has been acceptable previously I can understand how she would have thought it suitable this time.

ScreechingEchoChamber · 31/07/2022 13:28

How fucking grotesque.

I think this is an example of the state holding a woman responsible for the crassness inherent in execution, deflecting a kind of collective guilt and projecting it onto her.

ScreechingEchoChamber · 31/07/2022 13:30

MajorCarolDanvers · 31/07/2022 13:05

It shows how normalised judicial murder is in the USA that the story is a woman's skirt length instead of the death of a human being who had to wait 3 hours for them to find a vein before killing him in front of witnesses organised by the state even when the victim's family had pleaded for leniency.

Yes.

But I think it speaks also to the deep cognitive dissonance.

'We're going to kill you despite the victim's family asking for leniency, but anyone watching must show respect especially if they're of the female sex'.

Execution is the opposite of respectful, it's disgusting hypocrisy of the highest order.

ScreechingEchoChamber · 31/07/2022 13:31

Floisme · 31/07/2022 12:57

Given that the death penalty exists, I think that on balance it's better that it should be witnessed and reported rather than carried out in secret - otherwise I doubt that we would never get to hear about botched executions. However I take a very dim view indeed of any journalist who makes themselves the focus of such a story.

Also, I'm not normally one for policing where people choose to post but why is this in 'Sex and Gender'?

Because we're discussing sexism and gender expectations?

Kastri · 31/07/2022 13:38

mumwon · 31/07/2022 12:24

perhaps it was because there was a family member who objected or simply that the governor of the prison was more sensitive to others feelings. I consider that the death penalty witnessing should be treated with the same sensitivity as a funeral - its not a wedding or party.
I do not believe in the death penalty, by the by, and I find it disgusting that anyone, including and especially the press, should witness these unless its legally required or they are family of the victim or the convict.

Exactly my thoughts too.Well said.

RicherThanYew · 31/07/2022 13:45

I genuinely don't think that the journalist in question has a designated "execution" outfit but instead has a selection of outfits that she knows are appropriate for her role as a female journalist. I'm surprised at the people jumping to conclusions on this thread, it's not the usual tone on this board.

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 31/07/2022 13:48

www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2022/07/29/ivana-shatara-barred-from-alabama-execution-for-short-skirt/amp/

Shatara told The Post that the item was an A-line, black skirt from the brand Philosophy. The skirt was about 1.5 inches above the knee.

I would have assumed the sort of clothes appropriate for a funeral or appearing in court. Like others, I'm not concerned that there might be sexism at play here.

TheWayoftheLeaf · 31/07/2022 13:50

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Why? A man is being murdered in front of your eyes... who cares if your alive normal body is in a habit or a mini skirt? You're witnessing murder. It doesn't matter what you wear. You cannot ever be respectful while watching a person be murdered.

TheWayoftheLeaf · 31/07/2022 13:52

Personally I'm so against the death penalty though that frankly debating what to fucking wear to an execution disgusts me.
I am horrified. Wear what the fuck you want to watch a man's life fade from his eyes... it's not a funeral. It is a killing.

Karenxo · 31/07/2022 13:52

If a man is being murdered then it's 10x more crude yo put the spotlight on a skirt whilst glossing over that. They had a supposed dress code, just follow it and move on. A journalist should be more sensitive and not make this situation about a silly skirt rule

Antarcticant · 31/07/2022 13:55

It seems he'd already served 28 years in prison. Even the murder victim's family didn't support the execution. The journalist's skirt is an irrelevance.

ScreechingEchoChamber · 31/07/2022 13:55

You cannot ever be respectful while watching a person be murdered.

Yep.

A sickening pretence at moral rectitude when the entire situation screams bloodthirsty vengeful malignancy dressed up as righteousness.

The cold bloodedness of it. And to pretend they have the moral high ground ... It's the hypocrisy that gets me.

MajorCarolDanvers · 31/07/2022 15:24

You cannot ever be respectful while watching a person be murdered

This

Stopsnowing · 31/07/2022 22:13

What is more inappropriate - wearing a short skirt or killing someone?

ScrollingLeaves · 31/07/2022 23:22

IvyTwines · Today 11:08
When I saw the headline I was confused for a moment because I thought surely women aren't allowed to attend executions, let alone in a short skirt, in those sort of Middle East countries unless they're the ones being killed.

I had presumed it must be a Middle East country too at first.

Other posters are right that she may not have been dressed formally/soberly/solemnly enough
according to a sort of etiquette of a skirt covering knees, formal shoes etc (if you look at Kamila Harris, say, you can see this) but I agree they should not have humiliated her like that.

It is a funeral of a live man.

Johnnysgirl · 31/07/2022 23:30

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 31/07/2022 11:34

"At 5'7", and 5'10" with my heels on, I am a tall and long-legged person."I tried to pull my skirt to my hips to make the skirt longer, but was told it was still not appropriate."

This doesn't sound respectful to me. I have long legs regular length skirts would not be suitable for an execution.
I agree with pp, the story should be about the execution especially the fact that the victims children did not support it.

She's 5'7", the silly muppet. Being 5'10" with your heels on does not make you tall with long legs.
Attention seeking, disrespectful twat.

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