Mother's Ruin

[JanieAllen]

Now an attempt to cancel a gin company.... twitter.com/MothersRuinE17/status/1552575694311460866

That tweet (I don't know the spirit in which the person took it) took the content from a parody account.

Original: twitter.com/annlesbyphd/status/1432102325993234437

Is alerted to the appropriation: twitter.com/AnnLesbyPhD/status/1553544638945931265?s=20&t=4vM6_jjxHkBlRrVU-EukMA

How are any of those likes 'anti trans' . They are pro women. And why shouldn't they support pride? Unless you are saying you can't be pro women and support Pride? Your world view is just bizarre.

You’re objecting to Joanna Cherry’s tweet congratulating Allison Bailey. One proud and heroic lesbian congratulating another on an important win. Can’t have that lezzie stuff at a Pride event! Dear me, no.

How is it still Pride FFS?

Is that seriously what you're declaring "anti trans", Janet?
You're just embarrassing yourself now.

That's a misunderstanding.

The Hogarth Gin Lane is the nearest to that, but includes drunken debauchery/neglect from both sexes. The phrase is often misattributed to that.

Or sanitised to that.

Because the real origin was the rough gin brought about miscarriage, thus ruining the prospect pf motherhood. It was a sought-after method, to avoid the backstreet crone with dirty hooks

That's why I think it would be interesting and topical to embrace that, and rename it Abortifacient

That was my first thought on the meaning actually. So I went and googled and then saw this other interpretation and thought I’d misremembered the abortifacient thing. Talked myself round in a circle.

I think that’s worse then. It’s a brand named for the fact it was used to end pregnancies? Just seem weird for a feminism board to be celebrating this brand

Feminists: no opinion on gin.
Tra: gin maker holds adjacent opinions simultaneously, blasphemy.
Feminists: ha ha
Critic: don't celebrate the gin.

I think we're being told to shut it?

Tra: gin maker holds adjacent opinions simultaneously, blasphemy
I'm not a TRA though. Is that what were calling anyone with an alternate view to the majority on here now?

Yup. Whatever views women express on the feminist board, someone will be along to tell us we're feministing wrong

I think the term anti-trans is meaningless these days. It could be anything, like saying mother instead of birthing parent or breastfeeding instead of chest feeding….

Erm… I didn’t tell anyone to shut up… was that directed at me?

Well, at least the brand includes the word mother. I guess that makes it a GC gin.

In the same way that the story of Canute now means something very different to its origins, linguistically we may well be at the same stage for the general understanding of "Mother's Ruin".

I'd agree with a PP that Hogarth's Gin Line is a popular depiction of gin as the opium of the people and, along with other social forces, prompted the Gin Act. Associated with gin, the critical force behind Mother's Ruin was women's increased access to alcohol and the impact of widespread addiction.

I'm unsure if it's ever been clear that gin is an abortifacient rather than the savin within any juniper used in the flavouring of it.

MN embrace but I have never seen support here for consumption to Hogarthian Mother's Ruin levels. I'd think suggestions that the name should be abandoned for reasons related to historical sensitivity and cleaving to those origins are very much a matter of personal choice.

That refers to the critical tweets...

It only paraphrases you as connecting ironic humour with celebrating.

I have no idea how you connected the humour with celebration and even less understanding of you connecting the word mother with gc.

Keep going. I like seeing these insinuation jumps which lump things together.

I had never heard of this company but now I've placed my first order. I do hope they get to see the effect of their cancellation in increased sales

A business can like whatever it wants to like. HTH

Have you never heard of irony?

See you say anti- trans but what you really mean is pro-women. Say it. Pro-women.

I'm just thinking a bit of sloe gin over ice with tonic would be a marvellous thing

Swift Dylan Thomas' Under Milk Wood throwback there. I always expected "the sloeback, slow, black" sequence to end in rather than the "bobbing sea". Mostly because that's how my aunts rendered it.😊

The hostility in here is intense. I’ve seen hundreds of posts from GC people wanting the word mother retained - hence the connection. Maybe lighten up a bit and stop seeing enemies everywhere?

Oh… sloe gin over tonic with most of ice, sounds quite amazing. I might place an order for gin.

and I am not that worried about starting to neglect my children and turning to prostitution 🤣.

Btw, I had to explain Pride and Prejudice to my DD the other day. She was aghast that Mr Darcy paid Wickham to marry Lydia as he was a despicable creep. She was struggling to get her head around the difference in values. That is how I view the saying “mother’s ruin”, something from a different time.