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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kemi Badenoch

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ChristinaXYZ · 28/07/2022 20:35

Kemi Badenoch has responded in a very robust way to the Tavistock news:

"...the battles fought to get the review going, the smearing of women who had serious concerns as terfs and bigots, how this links to wider problems such the credulity of some MPs who allow policy-making to be subverted by groups eg Stonewall in exchange for retweets"

twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1552640803603988480

I really hope she gets a senior position in the next cabinet, one where she came help clear up some this woke mess - Education or the Home Office for example.

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MangyInseam · 28/07/2022 20:38

She has no time for any of the identity politics thinking. I've wondered actually if it's not because she had issues with it in other areas that recognized what was going on.

McDuffy · 28/07/2022 20:47

Was really pleased to see her tweeting about it. She totally gets it!

achillestoes · 28/07/2022 21:01

She is amazing. But it raises the question, if the Equalities Minister can’t make a point about equalities, who can? Who or what was preventing her making progress?

FemaleAndLearning · 28/07/2022 21:13

I've just wrote her a thank you postcard with a Birdy sticker puberty is not a medical condition and a woman definition sticker!

MangyInseam · 28/07/2022 21:28

achillestoes · 28/07/2022 21:01

She is amazing. But it raises the question, if the Equalities Minister can’t make a point about equalities, who can? Who or what was preventing her making progress?

I think it was because it was under discussion, as it were. In a position like that you have to draw a line between your personal views and what the institutional view will be.

The fact that she gets that is a good thing, plenty of political figures don't.

achillestoes · 28/07/2022 21:31

@MangyInseam

That’s reasonable. But who were the people disagreeing?

We actually know; it was Mike Freer.

sashagabadon · 28/07/2022 21:51

I’d like to see her getting the education brief I think. She’d be v good

LK1972 · 28/07/2022 22:01

achillestoes · 28/07/2022 21:31

@MangyInseam

That’s reasonable. But who were the people disagreeing?

We actually know; it was Mike Freer.

'Stakeholders', in one word.

Every government policy gets explored with a 'trusted' stakeholder group prior to it being shared with the public. There are processes to establish these stakeholders, but they are open to interpretation. These stakeholders have real influence within a government, and lobby hard for their interests.

We all know which organisations were considered 'trusted', some for excellent historical reasons.They got used to having their own way, and lobbied hard when Ministers tried to explore further (due to all the vipers writing to them).

As a Minister Kemi couldn't share details of the lobbying effort, as you can't appear prejudiced when formulating a policy, but she has strong opinions about some of those lobbying for the then status quo (except introducing self id and removing single-sex space exemptions for women, they wanted that enshrined in law Hmm).

At least, that's how I'd interpret those tweets. Love Kemi Smile

achillestoes · 28/07/2022 22:09

Yes, she’s clever and forceful. I like her a lot.

Datun · 29/07/2022 07:07

LK1972 · 28/07/2022 22:01

'Stakeholders', in one word.

Every government policy gets explored with a 'trusted' stakeholder group prior to it being shared with the public. There are processes to establish these stakeholders, but they are open to interpretation. These stakeholders have real influence within a government, and lobby hard for their interests.

We all know which organisations were considered 'trusted', some for excellent historical reasons.They got used to having their own way, and lobbied hard when Ministers tried to explore further (due to all the vipers writing to them).

As a Minister Kemi couldn't share details of the lobbying effort, as you can't appear prejudiced when formulating a policy, but she has strong opinions about some of those lobbying for the then status quo (except introducing self id and removing single-sex space exemptions for women, they wanted that enshrined in law Hmm).

At least, that's how I'd interpret those tweets. Love Kemi Smile

That's interesting LK. So the 'trusted' stakeholder is stonewall, which is why she specifically mentions them?

And does that mean they're probs no longer the trusted group?

Woolandwonder · 29/07/2022 07:15

sashagabadon · 28/07/2022 21:51

I’d like to see her getting the education brief I think. She’d be v good

Really? Didn't she say she wanted to get rid of superfluous staff eg TAs. She clearly has no clue and this would be devastating for schools, particularly children with SEN and other vulnerable kids who rely on 'superfluous' staff.

Valeriekat · 02/08/2022 08:59

sashagabadon · 28/07/2022 21:51

I’d like to see her getting the education brief I think. She’d be v good

No! it would be a poison chalice.

Sexnotgender · 02/08/2022 09:02

She’s fantastic. I was gutted she was knocked out of the leadership race.

Blahaj · 02/08/2022 09:05

Didn't she say she wanted to get rid of superfluous staff?

If this means there's less time for teaching gender woo then surely this is a good thing?

LK1972 · 02/08/2022 09:38

@Datun Sorry, just saw your comment - I don't think Stonewall will lose 'trusted stakeholder' role that quickly, and many, many organisations are still on the bandwagon.

There will need to be more sunlight before they are really thought of as another Kids Company.

I wonder what Oxford Uni Stonewall training and comms shall reveal, that should be coming soon? Within 35 calendar days from 30/6, apparently. ico.org.uk/media/action-weve-taken/decision-notices/2022/4020822/ic-129040-y4t2.pdf

I think that's the way at the moment-get their training and comms, at unis, schools and public institutions, into the sunlight, and see what the public thinks. As more of these FOIs come out Stonewall will do our work for us.

And now they can't hide behind 'commercial confidentiality' with the above ruling from information commissioner (which is a pleasure to read btw)

Itreallyistimetogo · 02/08/2022 09:42

She can stay the fuck out of education as far as I'm concerned. Education is devolved in Scotland thankfully but her ideas on support staff are ridiculous and dangerous.

Livpool · 02/08/2022 09:54

Itreallyistimetogo · 02/08/2022 09:42

She can stay the fuck out of education as far as I'm concerned. Education is devolved in Scotland thankfully but her ideas on support staff are ridiculous and dangerous.

👏🏼

I am GC she is awful. Doesn't give a shit about SEND provisions

Datun · 02/08/2022 10:01

I think that's the way at the moment-get their training and comms, at unis, schools and public institutions, into the sunlight, and see what the public thinks. As more of these FOIs come out Stonewall will do our work for us.

Yes, that's one of the strongest characteristics of this ideology. The more you learn about it, the worse it looks.

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