That was quick - Twitter ban

[elfycat]

Started a new twitter account today under a pseudonym with names lifted from the Suffragette movement Wikipedia - but not a real person. My aim is to promote all protected characteristics, and to gently challenge the Top Trump players, who only promote their own at the expense of others.

Wrote one tweet about all of the characteristics of the EA2010, liked a few posts I'd like from my private account, and commented on a Stonewall account post, no more severe than anyone else's comment.

Ok I don't have a history of posting yet. But suspended in under an hour...

Will wait out the week and then appeal.

I've been helping gardens grow for a while, but am beginning to peek over the parapet. With a mask on at the moment.

If that account gets banned there are other names on the Wiki page...

Was it the Stonewall post about 2 year olds recognising their trans identities? That's been gathering a few comments this morning. Can't think why.

Yes. That was the post. My comment was to ask them to leave kids to identify in and out of whatever they want.

FFS I used the word please and everything.

Ok I don't have a history of posting yet. But suspended in under an hour...

Will wait out the week and then appeal.

Have they suspended you for a week for a first thoughtcrime? Harsh.

How odd. I am deliberately not pulling any punches, on that same tweet too. Nothing. Well, individuals are blocking me, individuals = men, MRA types.

I have the 'most accounts are returned to normal in a week' message, but no guarantee that it will be.

Finding it amusing. Stonewall, for all they have the word wall in their name, and a stone one at that, is a very emotionally fragile entity.

I am currently awaiting the results of an appeal against a 12 hr suspension for stating that "trans" is not an adjective, it's a prefix* and changes the meaning of a word, usually to its opposite (so transwoman = not woman, as opposed to trans woman = woman, just the same as white woman, black woman, tall woman short woman etc).

The subtle and recent separation of "trans" from "woman" to achieve this linguistic sleight-of-hand is a hill I will die on if necessary. They always used to call themselves "transwomen", but not now.

Of course, I call them "men" which doesn't go down well either.

But all done - new account and you are already suspended - you must be doing something right.

*it IS a prefix - it's yer basic Latin, that is. It's not me fibbing about definitions and trying to obfuscate the meaning of language.

I was suspended for making a comment about ferrets down trousers. I appealed but that three months ago, so I suspect a glitch.
I guess eventually I'll be forced to take my punishment. I miss my twitter buddies but I think I also needed a step back. It's a brutal place sometimes.

Years ago I had a secret Twitter account that I used for saying things that I couldn't have associated with my real identity. I said a lot of outrageous stuff and never had a problem until I started criticising gender ideology. The account was gone within a week.

That Stonewall tweet about 2 year olds knowing their 'gender ' is the most irresponsible thing I've seen in ages. I made a sarky comment about N Kelley. Might check back later.

As you say there's ways and means !

I'm not stopping. I just woke* up this morning and what I need to do was just there. A culmination of a lot of slow, and angry thinking.

I know I'm a reasonable person. I have empathy. I'm pro people transitioning if it's the right thing for them. I'm fully supportive of all of this. I'd wave pompoms for them to have a space of their own.

But I believe in sex. Absolutely. We are a dimorphic species. There are some who biologically this doesn't match, but they are rare. And I'm straight to empathy for those people.

In a world where women do not have full equality I will not willingly give more ground. To anyone. Who thinks taking another persons legal, and hard fought for, rights away is OK?

Today I've just got more irritated.

*obvs not Woke in the modern sense. But woke as in I've 'woken up and smelled the manure - and it's all bull'? Yes I have that.

Use your phone to make an account. You can use the same mobile on several accounts. I've had accounts binned off because of just using an email as far as I can tell.

I have a pedantic streak myself but this is a silly hill to die on. Language is constantly evolving. There is a tipping point somewhere when a word goes from incorrect/slang to acceptable usage and the word “trans” is way past that point. Arguing archaic grammar points just makes you sound out of touch. I wouldn’t waste much time reading it but I don’t think you should be banned.

I have a pedantic streak too, funnily enough!

Tell people seeking a surrogate pregnancy, who are desperate to procure a live baby for themselves outside the usual mechanism. Tell them to seek a pregnancy and birth surrogate mother among transwomen.

Then come back and tell us how "language evolves".

Language may "evolve" depending on culture and politics, Nature and biology do not!

After being banned for airing perfectly reasonable GC views I made a new Twitter account using a protonmail email account and decided that I would self-censor and never post anything whatsoever, ensuring I could never get banned.

All I did was read posts, liked posts, and re-tweeted. Maybe 4 or 5 posts a day.

After about 3 months my account was suddenly deleted. This was a year ago so I have forgotten the exact wording of the reason for the ban, but it was something like "for using Twitter in a way it is not supposed to be used." It gave some examples like using it for spamming etc.

Can't bloody win!

Sorry, my previous message was a bit off-topic.

But what is the Twitter rationale for banning people who say "sex is real and there are two sexes: female and male." Or thoughts to that effect. It just seems so mad.

But sending death threats, rape threats to women, gun memes, "die in a grease fire", posting the address of a woman's house, etc. All these things are completely innocent and not malicious at all, according to Twitter?

I was just coming here to say this @NewPotatoSalad.

I haven't been banned so far but my Twitter account is almost entirely about supporting women and my GC views. It was briefly interrupted by some tweets about Amber and Johnny, and there's a sprinkling of Boris and Trump stuff - but I'd say it's 80% GC tweets, likes etc.

I've seen an increasing number of the GC accounts I follow be muted or banned. I've also seen multiple accounts from trans women threatening rape or violence to women because of their GC views. Every time I report them, Twitter says it's "not violating their community standards". Cool, cool. Violence to women is no big deal. Got it. Absolute fucking cunts.

FWIW Twitter have the most oblique and difficult procedure for objecting to their decisions. If it wasn't such a useful platform, I'd be off there like a shot.

Normally I would agree with you - part of my degree is in linguistics and I love the mysteries of language, the etymology of words and the gradual evolution of meaning - but this isn't it.

This is not a gradual and natural evolution of the meaning - this is being deliberately engineered for a purpose, and the purpose is one of making "women" a subset of their own sex, and allowing men to be acknowleged as women.

When you use a prefix as an adjective, then the word which follows it gains integrity.

"Woman" then includes "man", when "man" is a "trans" woman - in the same way that there are fat women and thin women, blonde woman and brunette women.

How do we then distinguish between males and females? Do we agree wit use "cis"?

Either way we have no right to refuse them entry into women's sex-segregated spaces, because they are women. We have to allow them into women's sports, because they are women. We can't stop them sleeping in the same room as young Brownies/Guides, because they are women. They have to be housed in women's prisons, because they are women etc etc etc

As you've seen from previous posts, they are now regarded by some as the prototype "woman", if they are being given the title "woman" and biological women are now "cis"

This is a deliberate obfuscation of language - not a natural evolution.

Emotionalsupportviper · Yesterday 16:18
“commonsense61 · Yesterday 12:37
@@elfycat I was suspended on twitter for 12 hrs for saying I agreed with Professor Robert Winston that sex is real and immutable.
I could a) agree this was a hate violation and be reinstated immediately or b) appeal .
I chose b) and appealed it took 3 weeks for my appeal and eventually I was reinstated .
I think the issue is mass reporting from people with a different point of view .
But, the process is the punishment.....”

I am currently awaiting the results of an appeal against a 12 hr suspension for stating that "trans" is not an adjective, it's a prefix and changes the meaning of a word, usually to its opposite (so transwoman = not woman, as opposed to trans woman = woman, just the same as white woman, black woman, tall woman short woman etc).*

The subtle and recent separation of "trans" from "woman" to achieve this linguistic sleight-of-hand is a hill I will die on if necessary. They always used to call themselves "transwomen", but not now.

Of course, I call them "men" which doesn't go down well either.

But all done - new account and you are already suspended - you must be doing something right.

*it IS a prefix - it's yer basic Latin, that is. It's not me fibbing about definitions and trying to obfuscate the meaning of language.

That is particularly interesting.

Also, you have made me laugh and laugh, not least because of your user name.

@ScrollingLeaves

Glad I made you smile . . .

My work here is done. 😁

I fully expect my 12-hour suspension to take at least a fortnight.