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documentary about social contagion in the rise of tourettes - but nobody talks about it in other contexts

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QuattroFromagio · 20/07/2022 08:53

I thought it was interesting to see a tv programe (mostly just interviews) last night on channel 4 about the rise in Tourette's syndrome. Although it wasn't particularly well-presented, I did think it was interesting that they looked into the rise of influencers on social media as one of the causes, and how that planted the ideas in people's mind, how there was a lot of attention given to people for having this role, etc. It seemed to be a generally accepted point of view that that could be part of the cause, with interviews with some of the influencers agreeing that they did worry sometimes whether they might be responsible for people taking on some of the tics, and other experts and sufferers agreeing that social media was an issue to be considered. Others were less convinced, saying that people might take on the tics, but only if they already had the disorder, and that they thought it wasn't that people could 'catch' it if they didn't have it aleady. Several people talked about the attention that influencers got by sharing their stories, and how there were some people who were faking it for attention and how that made it more difficult for the genuine sufferers.

But what I thought was interesting was how calm the discussion around it was. There was acknowledgement - and therefore discussion - of the possible role of social media and social contagion, how this increased during lockdown, etc - whether people thought it was a main cause of the increase, or just had a minor role, or whatever. There was no offense taken about the idea that social influence could be part of it.

And then you compare it to some of the discussions on gender, where there is so little acknowledgement in some circles that there could be a role of social media and social contagion in any of it. It does seem like there is a concerted effort somehow to prevent people discussing gender issues in the same way as some of these other issues, when I think there are similarities.

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Hoardasurass · 20/07/2022 10:15

My son has tourettes (amongst many conditions) and this link/social contagion has been known about since before lockdown in tourettes groups.
Thanks to this (atleast at DSs therapy centre) now has 2 treatment paths 1 for patients who have traditional tourettes (the original treatments) and a 2nd for patients with social contagion tourettes (though they don't use the term with patients) which follows the same treatment course as OCD.
For the 1st group this is a life long condition that in its most severe cases require strong medication and coping strategies and just the coping strategies at the other end of the spectrum.
The 2nd group completely recover from tourettes (not possible with real tourettes) and don't appear to relapse.
I have seen a strong correlation between this and ROGD and so have many others who work in the field and/or live with the condition but it almost seems verboten to discuss it which is a real shame

QuattroFromagio · 20/07/2022 11:09

Yes it is a shame, because I can see how having different treatment paths could be really helpful in both conditions. And just being able to talk about it would be a start! The fact that social influences was presented as just being something that was accepted by everyone as a possibility in certain cases was refreshing, and that it was acknowledged in the groups.

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 20/07/2022 11:49

Tourettes and dissociative identity disorder are both going through a period of social contagion. I agree it's unlikely that they're the only instances of social contagion that are having a profound impact on people's lives: however, whereas there's a separate path for 'social contagion' Tourettes, there doesn't seem to be that provision for others that need it (indeed, there's active resistance to it).

IvyTwines · 20/07/2022 11:49

It's bizarre. I hear so many discussions on TV and radio of the influence of social media - these people are called INFLUENCERS, duh! - in relation to every other teenage mental health issue, body and social anxiety but not the Elephant In The Room.

Gagagardener · 20/07/2022 12:05

doi.org/10.1177%2F0038026120934693

I found this abstract online. It is a critique of Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria theory. I have no way of assessing its validity. Instinct makes me want to disagree with it.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 20/07/2022 12:30

Gagagardener · 20/07/2022 12:05

doi.org/10.1177%2F0038026120934693

I found this abstract online. It is a critique of Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria theory. I have no way of assessing its validity. Instinct makes me want to disagree with it.

Open access pdf from author's site:

www.florenceashley.com/uploads/1/2/4/4/124439164/ashley_a_critical_commentary_on_rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria.pdf

Scroll down here to see articles citing the original

journals.sagepub.com/doi/citedby/10.1177/0038026120934693#top-content-scroll

unwashedanddazed · 20/07/2022 13:38

Florence ashley is not neutral on this topic.

Roseglen84 · 20/07/2022 15:15

For some reason (probably vested interest groups that are benefitting from it) gender identity is treated completely different than anything else.

CousinKrispy · 20/07/2022 17:06

I saw a few minutes of this and thought the same thing!

Hoardasurass, that's brilliant about the two treatment paths. It acknowledges that in both cases the individuals are in need of treatment and support. But the support and treatment is appropriate to what's actually going on with them.

Zeugma · 20/07/2022 20:25

Neurologist Suzanne O’Sullivan discusses this very interestingly in her book ‘The Sleeping Beauties’. She examines the case of a group of young girls in America who developed a tic-like disorder that spread rapidly amongst them.

There are definitely some interesting things to draw from it, I reckon…

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/07/2022 15:33

Related to this discussion, this is a really interesting and well written essay:

https://bprice.substack.com/p/trans-is-something-we-made-up?r=7vhv8&s=r&utmcampaign=post&utmmmedium=web&utmsource=direct

FrancescaContini · 21/07/2022 15:36

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/07/2022 15:33

Related to this discussion, this is a really interesting and well written essay:

https://bprice.substack.com/p/trans-is-something-we-made-up?r=7vhv8&s=r&utmcampaign=post&utmmmedium=web&utmsource=direct

Looks really interesting - thank you.

borntobequiet · 21/07/2022 18:06

This is interesting. Many years ago I taught a class which included a boy with Tourette’s. There were definitely others in the group (which was a difficult one containing a number of children with issues) who began to display similar behaviours, not just in my class but in other contexts. I thought at the time it was more attention seeking than anything else, but was surprised at how quickly it developed.

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