The ABM, ideologically captured.

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These experiences of this volunteer are not unique to her. Others have been pushed or left quietly and these experiences will resonate across the world because authoritarianism behaves the same in every society and in every business model.

Sure GC heretic, that can be done and is done but it certainly shouldn’t be advised by the NHS. Feeding during the night is particularly important for supply due to hormonal responsiveness at night, and whilst some women have an abundant supply and perhaps will not be impacted by it for many women this will cause problems. Going for 8 hours or more during the night without breastfeeding is particularly likely to reduce supply.

I bet many many women have just left these organisations. I would have - the point at which I’m going to them is when I’m up every few hours at night, spending large chunks of my days settling a baby, and I don’t have the time or motivation to fight a battle. This is my 3rd baby and the first time I’d actually say something but I don’t need breastfeeding support this time around either.

By reading your posts. You made the unsupported assertion that involving the father would be a route to stopping breast feeding. You know that that’s not true, using expressed milk occasionally doesn’t do that, so if it wasn’t about shutting fathers off from feeding what was the actual reason for the post?

But no-one was suggesting going for eight hours without breastfeeding. Having the father cover one feed can be an absolute lifesaver for an exhausted mother. Trying to discourage this seems wrong.

I used to know a mad breastfeeding zealot (and please bare in mind, I fed both my babies till 18 months, but feel there's a line between supporting women and judging them, and she properly crossed it). Anyway she was was a full on TRA. Funny how she would judge women about what they'd eat/ drink whilst breastfeeding but was all
TRANSWOMEN CAN BREASTFEED TOO DIE BIGOTS ETC

She would post bollocks about rights being pie etc etc, she was full on crazy with anyone who disagreed with her in anyway. I got binned for saying i supported JK Rowling.

Shame, watching her dramas was better than tele.

I made no such assertion. You read that as an implication from what I wrote. You took what I said out of context and made it is about you. This thread is not about how fathers can be supportive; it is about institutional capture of a breastfeeding org. It says so in the title.

@ShamedBySiri ySiri · Today 10:49
Those NHS hospitals that have signed b up to the NHS Rainbow Badge scheme are required to answer this questions as part of the assessment.

"Does the service have sensitive guidance in place to support a non-carrying parent to breastfeed/chestfeed?"

I assume this means that the NHS now has to support men who want to "breastfeed" their baby

When I was a midwife such a man would have been reported to social services. Now it looks like becoming NHS policy.

I suppose it could be a trans man partner who hasn’t had a mastectomy, but it must mean trans women too.

What evidence is there that male, induced breast milk is either adequate or of the right kind for a baby? Or the motive of the right kind?

Time to get off this world.

How ironic the we have to say ‘chest feeding’ because of trans men being upset by the thought of their breasts, while trans women want to have the function of breasts.

They are not going to get engorged breasts, and all that goes with breast feeding.It will be a make believe experience.

No, you explicitly wrote it, rather than implied it, when you wrote;

pretending that both parents can feed the baby is a quick trip to ending breastfeeding for the baby.

How can you now claim that you didn’t mean it? It is not a quick trip to stopping breastfeeding the baby, you are spouting absolute rubbish here.

The did mention parents both feeding the baby in the context of lesbian co-mothers breastfeeding, or, a male and female partner breastfeeding. And physiologically it remains true, even for two female partners where both mothers may be able to lactate but for reasons connected to how breastfeeding works, it remains true that the primary mother breastfeeds.

The thread moved on to lesbian co-mothers breastfeeding. And I stated that in our society, the formula feeding culture (not you, not anyone in particular) is portrayed in advertisement that both parents need to feed the baby in order to bond. And society has absorbed this stereotype that feeding = bonding ergo the dad bottle-feeding is a necessary, even for a bf baby. The thread had moved on to bonding and infant feeding.

And since I said 'parents' I was including lesbian co-mothers, and trans identifying males who want to 'breastfeed' as if they were equal in status to the (usually) birth mother . It had nothing to do with any dad giving the baby a night feed related to your context. This is where you made it about your own situation and situation like yours.

The course of your responses to I and @PomegranateOfPersephone up the thread is derailing the focus of the thread.

In the context of the NHS supporting shared feeding within the first couple of days post-birth as per the policy quoted upthread, it absolutely could lead to breastfeeding failure. It’s one thing for a couple to work out in their own home what’s best for them once breastfeeding is established; it’s quite another for shared feeding to be potentially encouraged right from the outset while mother and new baby are still in hospital, and therefore interrupt and jeopardise that vital bonding and establishing time.