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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kemi Badenoch knows what a woman is.

133 replies

SeaweedPop · 13/07/2022 05:16

Adult human female.

In the next general election Kemi would get my vote for prime minister. Never before have I voted Tory, but I do believe that I am ready and willing to die on this hill.

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XenaKeyboardWarriorPrincess · 13/07/2022 07:57

Octomore · 13/07/2022 07:46

The job a nurse does has changed hugely in the last 50 years. What used to be done by a nurse is now often done by a HCA who does not have a degree. Nurses do more complex work these days.

You seem to have missed that my friend was both a sister and s trainer without a degree. Her knowledge was deemed good enough to train those with degrees and they begged her not to retire because the new batch of nurses aren't nearly as practically capable.

And yes, I am well aware it has changed. As was she because it was a requirement for her job to keep up with the current medical knowledge. She studied at home her whole career.
The problem with a degree is it assumes once you've got it you have nothing to learn. My friend has more knowledge than most doctors because her role required her to stay up to date and not coast by on a qualification.

ElbowGreaseLightning · 13/07/2022 07:57

Kemi B is my MP and she was given this very safe seat from a retiring MP. Since then the massive majority she benefitted from has dwindled. She’s still in a safe seat, but it will erode again next election.

In a nutshell, she is a shocking MP. She has done nothing for our once beautiful town and she’s let it go down the shitter. During lockdown we didn’t hear from her. Not one message of support or direction. In fact the only time we hear from her is when many people have written to her or written letters to the local paper asking if she is still our MP, or confronting her on her vote to support some policy that further screws us over. When she is pulled up she writes long defensive and arrogant letters to be published in our paper always outlining how busy and important she is.

A lot of people in my area want her gone. She is only interested in herself. She’s a terrible local MP. I definitely won’t vote for her next GL.

Prime Minister? I’ll be surprised if she keeps her seat.

MarshaBradyo · 13/07/2022 08:02

I always thought if Johnson left we’d see a potential swing to smaller state and spending if not Badenoch then likely from the person opposite Sunak

Not sure who I prefer that to be yet

Quia · 13/07/2022 08:23

BettyFilous · 13/07/2022 06:33

I have voted Labour (or Lib Dem tactically) all my life until this idiocy raised its head. I’m no Tory. However, all the Tory shroud waving about shrinking the state did get me thinking. We have a rapidly ageing population with a shrinking income tax base. If we want to protect services for the most vulnerable and the NHS, something will have to give. I’m not on board with many Tories’ thinking or their policies, but there is some truth in public spending being an issue we need to address. Like all the #BeKind stuff, MPs could show some leadership by shouldering the same crap pay settlements and reduced employee benefits as the rest of the public sector: You first!

Might it not be an idea to prioritise closing off tax avoidance strategies first?

PurpleDaisies · 13/07/2022 08:26

She might know what a woman is but she came across as a thoroughly unpleasant person. I’d forgotten what it’s like hearing the Tory right wing views straight out of someone’s mouth accompanied by applause. Horrible.

Quia · 13/07/2022 08:26

Her ideas about education are shocking and will take our education backwards to the 50s. And she hasn't actually done anything for women since going into Parliament.

gogohmm · 13/07/2022 08:36

She want to cut taxes, wants to reduce welfare benefits ... no!

ScribblingPixie · 13/07/2022 08:37

not one message of support or direction

www.saffronwaldenreporter.co.uk/news/saffron-walden-mp-on-lockdown-6617686

fudfootedfannybangle · 13/07/2022 08:41

We don’t live under a dictatorship- so any of her ideas/sound bites that are too far off will never come to fruition anyway.

doesn’t matter who you vote for, the politicians always get elected.

id happily vote for her because I’d love to see a block woman at the helm.

BotCrossHuns · 13/07/2022 08:48

Terrible ideas for education - focus on 'whole class teaching' so that you can get rid of the TAs and other support staff, all the extra activities, etc. Too bad for the children who fall behind or can't cope with that.

PurpleDaisies · 13/07/2022 08:52

BotCrossHuns · 13/07/2022 08:48

Terrible ideas for education - focus on 'whole class teaching' so that you can get rid of the TAs and other support staff, all the extra activities, etc. Too bad for the children who fall behind or can't cope with that.

Yes, she has no idea that many TAs enable whole class teaching to take place in the way that it couldn’t without them.

XenaKeyboardWarriorPrincess · 13/07/2022 08:58

BotCrossHuns · 13/07/2022 08:48

Terrible ideas for education - focus on 'whole class teaching' so that you can get rid of the TAs and other support staff, all the extra activities, etc. Too bad for the children who fall behind or can't cope with that.

I agree it's stupid and shows a real ignorance of the realities of education, but that's a very common view. Most people think a teacher is just a worksheet dispenser and so that contributes to the widespread contempt of them and oversimplification of solving problems.

Personally, I don't think politicians with only their very limited, often private, experience of education should be allowed anywhere near national decisions(Gove) Minister for education should actually either be or be working very closely with people who actually have worked across the breadth of education and have the experience.

Whilst the 'just teach them without the bells and whistles, Sen doesn't exist and is lazy parenting and teaching, desks in rows, rote learn timestables, do some colouring' view is awful , it's the most common view held in the country.

Although I am surprised that she can know so much about rse,.safeguarding and yet be clueless and education in general.

PaperTyger · 13/07/2022 09:10

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This is addresse to ask the prospective leaders questions via email/sky.

Lots of questions about this issue would drum this home as a big issue.

FunnyTalks · 13/07/2022 09:15

There's some stuff I like about Kemi but I can't vote Conservative because I believe in a socialist economic policy. I also can't currently vote Labour because I despise misogyny, purity spirals and opportunist lying.

ClaudineClare · 13/07/2022 09:19

She is odious, bigoted and a bit dodgy (hacking politician's websites).

Assanctamonioysastheycome · 13/07/2022 09:22

@XenaKeyboardWarriorPrincess you are talking BS. But then you're not a nurse just a friend of a friend of a nurse 😂

Pronoundisquiet · 13/07/2022 09:22

She wants to get rid of net zero targets, the adoption of which in the UK and worldwide have actually been a real achievement for the Tory Party.

BigHeartyTruffle · 13/07/2022 09:23

She’s absolutely awful, as PPs have said her policy ideas would deeply harm women. She doesn’t give a shit about women.

XenaKeyboardWarriorPrincess · 13/07/2022 09:25

Assanctamonioysastheycome · 13/07/2022 09:22

@XenaKeyboardWarriorPrincess you are talking BS. But then you're not a nurse just a friend of a friend of a nurse 😂

Oh please educate me. 🙄

ClaudineClare · 13/07/2022 09:26

Hiphopopotamus · 13/07/2022 07:03

For goodness sake this stuff is getting ridiculous. Have you actually read her views and policy ideas? Or has she just said the buzzword you like to hear and do you’re all in? It’s absolutely ridiculous. Why don’t you start looking at what will actually affect women in this country - economic policy, childcare, domestic violence help provision, money in healthcare and not be so bloody minded.

And at some point you might want to look at the type of people you are consistently aligning yourself with and think about what that might mean.

This.

Cuck00soup · 13/07/2022 09:41

Nursing courses definitely need to increase the time spent to gain practical experience. IMO We need RNs who can competently manage a shift as soon as they qualify and don't need a year to 18 months preceptorship.

But we must not get rid of degree qualifications. This would make nurses less well qualified compared with other health care professionals and would have a devastating downward effect on pay. Remember this is a female dominated profession. Are we really suggesting a downgrading of nursing qualifications on a feminism discussion board?

XenaKeyboardWarriorPrincess · 13/07/2022 09:45

Cuck00soup · 13/07/2022 09:41

Nursing courses definitely need to increase the time spent to gain practical experience. IMO We need RNs who can competently manage a shift as soon as they qualify and don't need a year to 18 months preceptorship.

But we must not get rid of degree qualifications. This would make nurses less well qualified compared with other health care professionals and would have a devastating downward effect on pay. Remember this is a female dominated profession. Are we really suggesting a downgrading of nursing qualifications on a feminism discussion board?

This is a much more nuanced answer so thanks for that.
The issue I've highlighted is that the qualification focus has taken away from the practical experience so the idea that nursing education takes on a different form isn't completely out of the question as the current model doesn't work as well a it should.

I do doubt Kemi is actually thinking of it in these terms though. More likely slashing for slashings sake.

quidquopro · 13/07/2022 09:46

Oh, I see the TRAs have found this thread.

sunja · 13/07/2022 09:53

Rummikub · 13/07/2022 05:30

until I read she would reduce the size of the state

@Rummikub I've tried to research about this but nothing is coming up. Do you mind expanding on what this means please?

BotCrossHuns · 13/07/2022 09:57

If you listen to her campaign video (you can google it and it will come up), she explains some of the ways that she will reduce the size of the state and what kinds of things she will cut - for example, support in schools. She wants to focus on whole-class teaching, and get rid of all the 'superfluous' support groups, extra staff and so on. She says it's great to focus on improving whole-class teaching, but I suspect it is not because it is better educationally, but because it will save money, so that she can cut taxes. And she has similar ideas about other public services.