Gender ideology and identification of remains

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So, I was listening to a detective novel. They discovered a body (no surprise!) The pathologist advised that it was female because of the length of the femur and the shape of the pelvis.

Makes sense, of course. But how can it be squared with the current ideology? Or am I being thick?

There was a really silly Twitter thread on this very subject a week or two ago. It ended with what was basically "if after all that fluffy nonsense I've just posted you did get dug up and misgendered by a future archeologist 500 years from now, you are still valid and always will be".

I can confirm it’s not just femur length but as described above, even a skull on its own has some distinct markers that make it male or female. Our sex is in all of our bones.

And yes, in foetuses and young children these markers are not apparent.

Yeah, Alice Roberts really is hoot of the year on this one. TRA to her core , but once she’s looking at a Saxon skeleton it’s ‘oh yes obviously a female, isn’t wonderful that we have grave goods for a woman, etc etc’ …it’s as though she lives in two parallel universes, one based on hard scientific precedent and observation and the other on…….fantasy.

I'm 78 now, hardly get "monstered", but have been temporarily suspended from Twitter a couple of times for silly things, like making a joke about a trans celebrity in America. There was another bit of excitement when someone called Andrew told Innocent drinks they shouldn't be following a "transphobe", me, on Twitter, and a lot of people chimed in. It was rather funny.
As for sexing bodies, they can apparently determine the sex of a very old skeleton from the DNA in its tooth enamel. See my blog.

These days it is an insult to TRAs to actually use the words biological and male/female together.

Hi @Flashmaggie ! Couldn't remember if you were on here or not! Good to 'see' you
(we follow each other on Twitter but I have a different name there)
I linked to the Innocent silliness. What a very dangerous woman you are

I had an interesting conversation with DDs orthodontist about this. Scandinavian woman. She said an old college friend had managed to identify some male remains in an old murder case. When the family were contacted, they were absolutely furious with the professional because she talked about their son. He was obvs identifying as a woman but had been missing for years, and rather than being positive they had answers they called her transphobic and made complaints to her superiors. This was I think Norway. Ortho said her friend was devastated by it but their circle all peaked after the disciplinary notes were given to the friend.

I had a friend who transitioned (M to F) as a young adult. After they died 5 years ago aged 40 (massive stroke, related to cross sex hormones) the death certificate stated the sex as male. At that time that was the law. I assume this has not changed. I can see this becoming more of an issue in future.

Grim, poor children. Unwanted girl, boys as lifestyle accessories.

It was bonkers. They were truly wedded to their version of facts and nothing I, or anyone else who had real education in human biology, physiology etc, could do anything to dissuade them. We were just too bigoted to listen to new ideas, apparently!

Transmogrification is very real to some!

had a friend who transitioned (M to F) as a young adult. After they died 5 years ago aged 40 (massive stroke, related to cross sex hormones) the death certificate stated the sex as male. At that time that was the law. I assume this has not changed. I can see this becoming more of an issue in future.

Sorry for your loss. Unless your friend had a GRC they were always legally male. If this is the U.K.

Wrong thread sorry

In answer to the OP: it can’t.

Sexual differentiation starts in utero. It even affects the placenta: the placenta for male foetuses forms differently from that for females. So you’d have to start wrong sexual hormones at conception - apart from being an experiment of a foetus who obviously can’t consent, it’s easier to go for IV & sexually select the embryos. Just looking at size & making a guess (or what they used to do: look at grave goods & decide the rich ones were male) is way outdated.
They've been able to identify the sex eye colour & skin tone of someone who threw away their chewing gum nearly 6000 years ago without even finding the body.
www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/human-genome-recovered-5700-year-old-chewing-gum-180973801/

Eh? There was work being done in Spitalfields Cemetery when I was a student (so early 90s) where they were able to accurately sex the remains of young children. I think they used the jaw and ilium for that, but it's 30 years since I read it, so don't quote me on that.

So, yes, it's clearly easier in an adult, but that doesn't mean that boys and girls are skeletally the same until puberty.

Found it! Isn't google awesome? onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/ajpa.1330900206

(I'm astonished I remembered that after all this time!)

Hello to you too.

How ridiculous!

What I don't understand is changing a birth certificate. Whoever delivers a baby doesn't have a crystal ball and know what they'll do later, but must record their sex. It'd be state sanctioned fraud to change it, in my opinion.

It's yet to be discovered if taking cross-sex hormones before getting pregnant, as some women who identify as men have done, may affect fetal development and a growing child. And it's also potentially harmful for men to take hormones in order to breast feed a baby. Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be, and this behaviour is selfish and reckless.

Ah! I remember reading that before. Good find !!

Makes sense, of course. But how can it be squared with the current ideology?

It can't. Because science & specifically biology.

Or am I being thick?

Nope. You're thinking critically. It's gender ideology which is thick.