"Sex work is rewarding, pupils told by education providers."

[ResisterRex]

In today's Times:

Sex work is rewarding, pupils told by education providers.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/35cd493a-fee1-11ec-88db-ae1b6b9bdd3e?shareToken=9c11ec9640b2734f2d77adc7f059f54dd_

I think we are all familiar with these "education providers" but even so, it's another shocker. It's already been picked up by the Mail:

School children are told prostitution is a 'rewarding job' by sex education providers who promote 'kinks' to pupils including flogging, beating and locking people up in a cage

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10996893/Children-told-prostitution-rewarding-job-sex-education-providers-promote-kinks.html

Margarita I thought you were all for promoting sex work as valid work.

I find myself no longer surprised by the contorted lengths some will go to, to justify the unjustifiable. Rather, I wonder how hard I will roll my eyes each time.

The Times has been printed in tabloid since 2004, the Sunday Times is still broadsheet.

".. teaching children that prostitution is a “rewarding job”

My understanding is this refers to a 6 year old blog post where the provider said "many" sexworkers find it rewarding (presented as his opinion, not fact), and not in the actual classroom?

Schools should not be contracting out the teaching. Sex education is a very important subject. You don't contract out maths and English to any online randoms. You teach those subjects by properly trained staff.

Margarita I thought you were all for promoting sex work as valid work.

That's a different discussion(been discussed on a number of threads). Here we're trying to determine specifically what students have or haven't been told in the classroom or if the DM is using misleading wording.

Haven’t RTFT but in answer to the OP: it’s fucking outrageous. People promoting this as a lifestyle choice or career option 😡 need to spend some time talking to women “working” on the streets of some pretty grim areas of big cities around the world and hearing from them about their “work”. And then going back to their comfortable family homes and telling their teenage daughters what a great job “sex work” is and they wholeheartedly advise them to enter this “profession”.

Fucksake 😡😡😡

As has been pointed out, by inviting this organisation into the classroom it gives validation and a suggestion that the website is a safe space for children to be referred to for advice. It doesn't make it ok that they may not have directly expressed the sex worker comments in the classroom.

Schools should not be contracting out the teaching. Sex education is a very important subject. You don't contract out maths and English to any online randoms. You teach those subjects by properly trained staff.

The trouble is, there are very few "properly trained staff". Maths teachers and English teachers are likely to have a relevant degree and be qualified to teach their subject, but this is not the case for RSE. In my school, RSE (in fact all PSHE) is taught by any teachers who happen to have that slot available in their timetables.

Relationship and sex education (RSE) became compulsory in English secondary schools in 2020, with many contracting out the teaching. Since then an industry has sprung up of providers who produce resources and go into schools to teach sex education and gender issues.

Staff do not need education or child development qualifications and there is no professional register or regulation of their curriculum.

Fucking hell. The government says children must be taught about sex, and then hands the job over to anyone who wants it. Without qualifications, without register, without regulation.

What could possibly go wrong? Who would possibly be interested?

How difficult can it be for the government to invite stakeholders and qualified people to sit down and come up with a syllabus? For every school in the country. And just tell them to teach it.

Job done.

Do they tell geography teachers that they can outsource their thinking, and teach that the world is flat?

i'm willing to believe that I'm missing something here. Because it looks so blindingly obvious to me, that I can't believe it isn't.

Teaching children about sex has to be one of those massively high risk issues, where any and all loopholes need to be examined under a microscope.

Self identified sex experts aren't it.

What Datun said.

All staff in schools have to undertake safeguarding training which includes (because I've done it) inappropriate sexual material and the stuff on that website would therefore fall under the category of abuse which is exposing children to age-inappropriate sexual material.

People doing this need to be jailed, fined or at least lose their jobs. Where's the accountability for breaching safeguarding? As far as I can see there is none.

Yes I understand that.

Incidentally we were taught sex education by our religious education teacher, I know she was a committed Christian. At the time I also wondered if she was best placed to be teaching about abortion; especially as she was pregnant at the time. This was the 1980s at sex education was new in schools.

I'm having a look at the Bish website. Sexwork is just briefly mentioned, it just appears to be the 2016 mentioned blog post and this:

www.bishuk.com/your-call/getting-paid-to-have-sex/

Bish has "met and worked with a lot of sex workers" and on this page sets out some bullet points of what sexworkers have said.

Firstly I'm not in any way endorsing the profession.

That said, there's always different aspects of any profession, and just basing the knowledge of the whole profession on some experiences, of one aspect, does not give a full perspectives of the whole profession.

Brooke maganiti, did a talk at Oxford university, it's on YouTube for those interested

Just read this on BISH www.bishuk.com/your-call/sex-relationships-and-the-right/
Seems it went up yesterday (I'm guessing after the Times and Mail asked him for comments) going to make it impossible for schools to commission him and keep in political guidelines, which initially looks like an own-goal, but I'm guessing he is actually targeting teens for donations? It's bizarre - apparently the 'right' don't want you to wank?!

My goodness, that's quite the tantrum. I see that it's been archived extensively in various places.

It has more than a whiff of the glossary and smörgåsbord of social explanations-without-substance offered by the people behind This Egg's Family Sex Show.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10734503/Family-Sex-urges-FIVE-YEAR-OLD-children-explore-sexual-pleasures-cancelled.html

Such a useful thing to politicise this; appealing to young people by making it a matter of left and right. The left allowing to happen it would seem. The right, unsurprisingly, running with it

bloody he'll?!?

Good god.

Thankfully it's been archived.

As well as transphobia, the right also don’t want cis gender people to be the gender they are. For the right, they think that it’s bad if men are soft or caring or if women are hard, dynamic, and selfful. They believe that men should be strong, dominant, rational, and active and that women should be soft, passive, nurturing, and emotional. They also believe that it’s ‘natural’ for men to be these things and for women to be not.

Back to front, mate.

Which is why men who say they want to be 'more like women', ie feminine, have to say they are women.

It pisses me off in so many different ways, but this sexist bollocks, that they can't see themselves spouting, is one of the worst.

He's saying that the right wing say men can't be caring. Whilst simultaneously saying that if they feel caring, they must be women.

And yes, quite the rant. Hoping to recruit people on the basis of politics.

Instead of, you know, telling prostitutes who are having a hard time, that it might be because they're not discerning enough with their clientele.

Wanker.

Exactly. He is so unaware, he doesn't realise he has now made himself un-hireable on the basis of political bias.

The right are basic

A grown man writing like an angry teenager.

For the right, they think that it’s bad if men are soft or caring or if women are hard, dynamic, and selfful. They believe that men should be strong, dominant, rational, and active and that women should be soft, passive

the only people that think 'woman' means soft and passive are the those who promote gender ideology. Supposed womanly traits that a male can perform to claim womanhood. Without the stereotypes 'gender' is meaningless.

To the rest of the planet a woman is simple a female adult with any personality and presentation.

This is sickening to read
I fear for my children and especially my grandchildren
Depravity is becoming normalised in their sex education at school
Who in their right mind thinks this is okay and doesn't challenge it

It pisses me off in so many different ways, but this sexist bollocks, that they can't see themselves spouting, is one of the worst

I think they are very aware of what they are spouting. I think every male who pushes this regressive nonsense knows exactly what they are doing.

When I was studying sociology Alevel, we learnt about PIE and their campaign in the 70s, I always wondered how they managed to get so far, in plain sight, now I fear I understand, chipping away at boundaries, accusing people of fear and hatred and lack of understanding. It’s frankly terrifying to watch.