British Triathlon Female and Open category

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'British Triathlon to introduce open category for men and trans women'

www.skysports.com/share/12646815

I think this is inclusion.

As transmen are born female, then if not on T they should be eligible to compete in the women’s category?

But transmen not on testosterone could in theory compete in women's or open?

Not just in theory, most transmen and non binary female athletes continue to compete in female competitions up to and including World and Olympic levels. They refrain from taking testosterone so they can continue to compete here, as this is the only category where they will have any success because they have female bodies. Provably they will continue to compete in the female category as in the open they will have to compete against men.

Brilliant - and the new policy applies to both the grassroots and elite levels, too.

Perfect.

I think it would be incredible if they allowed some competitors to take Testosterone, an anabolic steroid. To dope with a performance enhancing drug.

Not that I'm worried about the men's sport. It still won't be a threat to them in the same way males (however they identify) in women's sport is.

Transmen using testosterone would have to obtain a therapeutic use exemption (TUE) certificate and compete in the Open category.

I'd say it would be rather great for trans men on T to be able to take it (up to male limits) in the Open category under a TUE. Save for the odd amateur races, a trans man wouldn't beat a man of a similar level of natural ability and would be extremely unlikely ever to prevail at elite level. The East German women certainly never managed it. Helps to prove that a woman is not just a man without testosterone.

Each sport that does this makes it easier for the next. This is now becoming, at last, the norm. Let's face it, sport should never have allowed Transwomen to compete in womens sport as a default.

Anyway, of course the TRAs don't like this, it confirms what everyone knows and that is that transwomen are transwomen, biological males, they are not women.

It’s not incredible at all. Transmen can already get a TUE for T to allow them to compete in male categories.

www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/tuec_transgender_version1.0.pdf

*Although that document refers to transmen as “transgender male athletes”.

"It doesn't make me feel included by being excluded from the female category."

Doesn't even realise that he is admitting it isn't about 'inclusion' it is about accessing female spaces.

I keep saying it, inclusion = your boundaries are there for me to break.

Anyway, of course the TRAs don't like this, it confirms what everyone knows and that is that transwomen are transwomen, biological males, they are not women.

And that some biological men have now been deprived of a way of cheating by self identifying as women.

Fantastic news

I keep saying it, inclusion = your boundaries are there for me to break.

Women's rights = quaint notion that was never intended to be accepted as more than a polite social fiction and could be withdrawn at any time when they were inconvenient to a member of the oppressor class.

This will mean woman's sport will continue to thrive.

Fantastic. I hope this approach becomes the norm.

I think they'll have to learn to cope as I think other sports will adopt this approach.

Well done British Triathlon - no elite level only policy so women at all levels can have fair, safe sport (oh and no-one can complete in the wrong sex category up to a certain level then do Daily Mail sad face articles about how they are being forced out). No transition before puberty clause that could be used to try and justify pushing blockers on to kids (although we know that anyone medicated out of experiencing puberty is not going to be troubling medal podiums). No 'othering' third category just a simple, clear policy that women's sport is for women.

BritishTriathlon claim to be "truly inclusive" & "triathlon is a sport for everyone". So why are you making trans women compete with men? It doesn't make me feel included by being excluded from the female category. I wouldn't compete in any sport with such transphobic beleifs.

So transwomen shouldn't be made to compete with men but actual biological women should be? 🙄 Male sporting advantage is real and however hard someone choses not to identify as male it won't identify away that advantage. Georgia Taylor-Brown couldn't identify out of her flat tyre in the Olympics, Jonny Brownlee can't identify out of his broken elbow and I can't identify out of the fact that I'm a really crap swimmer, a poor cyclist and no great shakes at running.

Well said.

All athletes can compete at all levels in the relevant class.

I agree with this. Fear is the motivation for so many decisions and attitudes the other way, so I predict that now some sports have done this they all will