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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Isn't this lovely!

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JellySaurus · 05/07/2022 20:14

This is what gender non-conforming can look like. This is extending the boundaries of what it means to be male.

Why shouldn't a boy wear a dress if it makes him happy?

Please remain yourself, Korben: a gay bloke.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-62041127

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PearlClutch · 05/07/2022 20:53

Clymene · 05/07/2022 20:46

He's a boy trying to start up a career as a drag artist. Miss Frou Frou.

I don't like drag. I especially don't like children doing drag.

www.instagram.com/tv/CMXJ2RCLgU6/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Here he is pulling fake money out of his dress.

This isn't about boys being able to dress however they want. This is about drag.

How very disappointing.

ZaraSizeMedium · 05/07/2022 20:57

Yeah I got to the part where they talked about his drag persona, 'Miss Frou Frou', and thought this is a very well done publicity stunt.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 05/07/2022 20:59

This isn't about boys being able to dress however they want. This is about drag

didnt read…just saw picture 😔

RogersOrganismicProcess · 05/07/2022 21:04

I thought he looked amazing, the strong colours really suit him. I loved the picture of him in the sparkle jacket, with his mum. First impression was, ‘shame it has to make news, but glad he has received acceptance for being him.’ Then I read the bit about drag and thought, ‘shame he thinks it’s ok to appropriate women’. What the hell is wrong with just being a boy in a dress?

PearlClutch · 05/07/2022 21:35

It's launching a drag career. Canny.

ClaudiusTheGod · 05/07/2022 21:44

PearlClutch · 05/07/2022 21:35

It's launching a drag career. Canny.

It’s all so bloody depressing, all of it. Sigh.

ImNotOnTwitterButMySupportGoldfinchTweets · 05/07/2022 21:55

I went to year 11 prom in a suit in 2001, with short spiky hair. Even back then no one gave a fuck. They were more shocked when I went in a red prom dress and even shorter hair in year 13. Think they’d got used to only seeing me in trousers by then 😁 No one lined up to cheer on either occasion though, I feel hard done by…

Seriously though, I actually find something about that really disquieting. All the performance cheering. I always thought lgbt progress would be when it was just a non-event.

JellySaurus · 05/07/2022 22:08

PearlClutch · 05/07/2022 21:35

It's launching a drag career. Canny.

Didn't think of that.

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FilePhoto · 05/07/2022 22:14

He looks amazing. Better than I look in a dress. I'm glad he felt comfortable to go in the outfit he wanted.

But other than that he's just done the same as Jamie (as in, everybody's talking about) did 15 years ago. Or whenever it was.

BlueMumDays · 05/07/2022 22:41

ClaudiusTheGod · 05/07/2022 20:29

I find it really sad that ‘boy wears dress’ is considered to be news. I was a teenager in the 80s - the time when Boy George, Marilyn, Annie Lennox etc all challenged the stereotypes. The fact that a number of people (or ‘folx’ as they’d probably call themselves) now think that the clothes you wear determine whether you’re a man or a woman shows that we’ve gone backwards. Wear what you like, kid, you look
great. Just remember you’re a fella…

The big news isn't "boy wears dress", it's "boy wears dress and this doesn't make him a girl".

FWIW I don't think it takes so much courage for a boy to wear a dress these days, but it does take courage to stand against the prevailing trans tide. I thought it was particularly powerful that he chose to leave his drag persona behind and come as his true self. Which is a boy.

ChagSameachDoreen · 05/07/2022 22:56

Meh.

I'm not expending energy lauding a male.

MangyInseam · 05/07/2022 23:13

I think that even apart from the drag element, it's to the point that he is looking to be in the media.

There is a reason that so often the people we see pushing the envelope around presentations are people like rock stars. It's because they have an interest in making waves, being remembered, doing something different.

In general it's not because they have some deep inner need to wear a dress or have big hair. It's an image. And it will often set of a trend that others follow, and maybe it's not so edgy any more after that.

When private individuals push boundaries there can often be a lot more ambiguity for people to wonder why they are doing that. Maybe the individual has a deep need to have big hair, but people I suspect tend to be skeptical about that. Maybe he is also pushing the envelope in the same way a David Bowie is, some people are like that. But there can also be less innocent reasons to push at boundaries and that's always the concern I think.

This kid seems like the celebrity type. Which is fine, but I don't think it's really laudable.

JellySaurus · 05/07/2022 23:32

FWIW I don't think it takes so much courage for a boy to wear a dress these days, but it does take courage to stand against the prevailing trans tide. I thought it was particularly powerful that he chose to leave his drag persona behind and come as his true self. Which is a boy.

This.

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TinselAngel · 06/07/2022 05:53

We're in the sex and gender topic. I think it's important to make it clear gender critical people are delighted to see both male and female people challenging gender stereotypes.

The problem with that is that virtually all men have an ulterior motive for doing so.

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