Owen Jones and the Patriarchy

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www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/05/lgbtq-womens-rights-abortion-unite

The forced teaming things is accepted in a lot of areas, though - it's very tempting. People do it casually sometimes without noticing, there was a radio story locally to me a few weeks ago about an issue that affected someone, and it was noted that it affected her as a black woman.

It was very weird though because it was just something that could happen to any woman but it was just chance that she happened to be black and not someone from another ethnic group.

But the story seemed to be implying we should consider the issue because it was affecting black people specifically. That's a kind of forced teaming too though quite typical of the CBC here because they have rules about how many of their stories have to deal with minority issues.

I think that’s an insult to undergrads.

It could be thickity or it could be desperately trying to force random disparate facts to fit a narrative that becomes increasingly more obviously outrageous by the day.

Today, for example, we have India Willoughby claiming Macy Grey is somehow disseminating Mossad propaganda in homage to Stalin. Or something.

Speaking of forced teaming, Owen has also retweeted this somewhat confusing 'infographic'. There is no link to the references, but it's curious to consider what new batshit narrative they're dreaming up to smear us with now.

twitter.com/tabouchadi/status/1544310002168496128/photo/1

Owen Jones IS the patriarchy.

'There is a strong relationship between so-called "gender critical" and islamophobic attitudes. Among people who fully agree that "someone is either a man or a woman and nothing in-between" 50% fully agree that "muslim immigration is a threat to gender equality"'

I would guess almost everyone agrees with the first premise, yes? Sadly, we will never know, as the Twitter person has not shared their sources. Only this highly authoritative looking graph.

They'll be resurrecting the miners next.

I am surprised she is not getting pressure from her community to cool it on Twitter.

I am actually a bit concerned about her. The posting is not normal at all.

I hope she has friends looking out for her - I may disagree with her hatred of women and lack of care for womans rights, and her racist / homophobic attitudes but she needs help and support.

She needs sectioning-dangerously barking.

Hmmmmm... Women and trans people should unite on the left then?

I always thought that trying to remove women's safe spaces and right to speech was quite a right wing thing to do... And thats exactly what many trans people want!!

This forced teaming is infuriating. Gay men stand to benefit from reproductive control of women through both adoption and surrogacy.
The Christian right and the LGBTQ+ movement are 2 sides of the same coin and neither are friends of women.

Ah, Owen.

Yes, I guess the kind of situation which makes people likely to develop conspiracy theories.

I imagine most people have experienced believing things that didn't seem to fit together, and having to simply live with that, at least on a temporary basis, with the idea that it is somehow resolvable. I think that is an ok strategy at times.

But people like Owen Jones seem mainly to be desperate to prop up political labels, and labels they have an extremely shallow viewpoint on. Kathleen Stock had an interesting essay this week where she talked about people who seem really to believe that right and left politics corresponds to evil and good, and the further you move to the right, the more evil you are. OJ seems to be of that ilk.

You’re part of the patriarchy, Owen, you gibbering idiot.

He’s such an insufferable, smug, sanctimonious liberal-left poser that I can’t bear the sight of him.

Live4weekend, agreed. I hope help & support is available and accessed.

He's coming across as a self-congratulatory sophist who types with one hand.

At the risk of being controversial is it not aboslutely blooming obvious that we live in a country that is a mixture of more progressive people and more conservative people? That conservative people are often religious and what they are conserving is the conservative teaching from their old religious text?

Whenever you have religious immigrants (such as christians and muslims) then by definition you are making the country more conservative and therefore by definition more likely to be against equality for women (a sex class not a gender class)?

It seems to me obvious that there would be a link between people who understand that women's rights are under threat from men who claim TW are literally women, and those who understand that women's rights are under threat from conservative men. Surely it is obvious that reasonably intelligent people who understand what a woman is are able to see threats to women from whichever direction they are coming from?

I don't know that it's worth even looking for parallels/connections, GCRich. Were there more info, like a link to a source, with the actual questions asked, the demographics, sample size, etc, then maybe.

But the way this is presented it may as well have been the bloke ringing round his pals and making the whole thing up for shits and giggles.

'Now listen ladies, you are only allowed to believe what I tell you to believe and if you stray from that at all, then it's your fault if you get shat upon from a great height.'

Cheers Owen.

Oh wait sorry that was meant to be, fuck off Owen.

It's a very weird thing among many progressives that you are NOT allowed to mention this link between more conservative views and immigration of certain people.

And it's not like they give reasons that it's not a valid analysis. They just won't admit that it is even something that might be true and if you mention it you must be xenophobic.

It's the same people who don't want to talk about the fact that accepting immigrants from different cultures requires a certain amount of community resilience, cohesion, energy, infrastructure, if it is going to go well. Which to me also seems self-evident.

I read an article a few years ago on this subject. I wish I could find it now. My TLDR is that homophobia stems from patriarchy and you can't fight homophobia without fighting misogyny. The hatred of women goes hand in hand with the hatred of men who behave like women (by having sex with men, by being feminine etc)

They also explained this is why homophobic people always seem to want to know 'who the man is' in any gay or lesbian relationship and how in gay relationships the partner who is less well known, earns less or is of a perceived lower status is always referred to as the wife. Elton John and David Furnish for instance.

I found it really interesting and would love to read it again and other actual research or theory on this topic.

So true. The only people who should be allowed to express their opinions are men with muscles.

He's an odious little toad.

Fuck off Owen.

I wonder what LOJ thinks about Macy Gray. As far as I know she is female, Black, a lesbian, grew up with some trauma, working class and a bloody legend.

Do wokey brocialists pause for a second when she speaks? Do they listen? Or are the death threats aimed at her on Twitter not the patriarchy at work?