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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

US abortion law - fcuking hell

42 replies

CraggyIslandTouristBoard · 03/07/2022 20:46

Consequences like this are or course entirely predictable, but no less abhorrent.

I think we are only just beginning to realise the wider implications of all this both for women and girls in the US and around the world.

”10-year-old rape victim forced to travel from Ohio to Indiana for abortion.”

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/03/ohio-indiana-abortion-rape-victim?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Cherryblossoms85 · 03/07/2022 20:47

Not my country

achillestoes · 03/07/2022 20:49

Yes, this will be the consequence.

PearlClutch · 03/07/2022 21:40

Fuck those who have enabled this. Fuck them.

Slothtoes · 03/07/2022 21:51

What Pearl said.
I genuinely don’t know how they can sleep at night.

FionnulaTheCooler · 03/07/2022 21:56

How can the USA government justify this bullshit saying "every life is precious" when they still have death row and executions? Massive hypocrisy.

FannyCann · 03/07/2022 22:02

Newsletter from Caroline Criado Perez, which you can sign up for free, but hopefully the link works.

She discusses the problems, not just in the USA - there are 35 countries which ban abortion and this impacts safe obstetric/gynaecology care for common pregnancy problems like miscarriage and ectopics. It is a public health disaster for women in these places.

Women in the U.K. need to understand that they shouldn't travel to these places if they are pregnant or could be.

newsletter.carolinecriadoperez.com/issues/invisible-women-roe-v-wade-1240290

LarryBlackmonsCodpiece · 03/07/2022 22:04

dogshit world

WelshMoth · 03/07/2022 22:04

Stomach churning decision.
They really don't give a shit about females, do they.

Whatsnewpussyhat · 03/07/2022 22:06

Fucks me off that an abortion is framed as a tragedy and every life is precious. Yeah, except for that little girl who has suffered enough and some sick fuckers would rather force a child to go through with a pregnancy her body isn't yet ready for so they can control women like cattle.

LeavesOnTrees · 03/07/2022 22:09

At least she got her abortion. They'll be others behind her who won't.

We'll soon hear of women being sentenced to murder for having a miscarriage.

Babies will be abandoned and women will die or have their lives ruined.

RunSeaSurf · 03/07/2022 22:09

Jesus H Christ

These people that are withholding healthcare from women and children are monsters

Hawkins001 · 03/07/2022 22:11

What is the reasoning behind it all ? The question I had wondered without more research, was that they need more population growth ?

LeavesOnTrees · 03/07/2022 22:28

Hawkins001 the reasoning is control.
Why should women get to make these important decisions. Better to have them constantly pregnant / looking after children so then they won't have any power in society.
Who cares about their actual lives.

They're going for gays/ lesbians next.

They'll be a few genuinely religious pro lifers who care about the babies, but I reckon they're massively in the minority. If they weren't then provisions would be made to make sure these extra babies (and the ones already born ) are properly cared for.

CraggyIslandTouristBoard · 03/07/2022 22:37

Hawkins001 · 03/07/2022 22:11

What is the reasoning behind it all ? The question I had wondered without more research, was that they need more population growth ?

Misogyny, pure and simple. The wish to control every aspect of women’s lives and keep them subservient.

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IcakethereforeIam · 03/07/2022 22:48

There was an article in the Guardian very recently about women being prosecuted in the UK for suspected 'unsanctioned' abortions (those pesky two doctors), including cases that turned out to be due to natural. I'll try to find a link.

I think that the entire political spectrum in the US will have blood on their hands for this. As I understand it the Democrats could have secured the right to an abortion in the 50 years since RvW, but chose not to.

I agree it's not principally about the babies, I think some of them want to punish women for being sexually available/desirable, willingly or not. I think they'll also be coming after contraception.

LeavesOnTrees · 03/07/2022 23:01

They're the richest country in the world.

If it was about the babies, they'd be setting up mother and baby centres, making sure no child is born into poverty (3.7 million currently according to a quick goole search), providing early years services, free health care for these children, reduced childcare costs to help mothers back to work, maternity leave and pay, paternity leave and finally banning the guns that kill children.

NO this is nothing to do with the babies.

If it was I might at least understand the decision.

PearlClutch · 03/07/2022 23:24

A ten year old child endangers her health being pregnant and giving birth. It's child sacrifice. It does seem religion is referenced frequently in the rhetoric offered as 'justification' for why a ten year old rape victim should be forced to go through childbirth, but it's hard to know if that is cover for misogyny/wanting to subject children to suffering or what. I mean, it's incomprehensible.

FannyCann · 03/07/2022 23:26

Thank you @IcakethereforeIam
I had no idea, given that free abortion is widely available through most of the U.K. (not NI) that women would still be seeking illegal abortions.

Parky04 · 03/07/2022 23:28

It's the USA, why are you surprised? A cesspit of a country!

AngeloMysterioso · 03/07/2022 23:40

I think that the entire political spectrum in the US will have blood on their hands for this. As I understand it the Democrats could have secured the right to an abortion in the 50 years since RvW, but chose not to.

Yep. It was just another campaigning tool for the Democrats “vote for us or those nasty Republicans will overturn Roe v Wade!” If they’d actually enshrined it in federal law they would have lost that bargaining chip.

I’m mad as hell at RBG too. For all she was an incredible woman and achieved so much, she should have stood down whilst Obama still had enough time to put someone in her seat. She did women no favours at all hanging on as long as she did.

nepeta · 03/07/2022 23:46

CraggyIslandTouristBoard · 03/07/2022 22:37

Misogyny, pure and simple. The wish to control every aspect of women’s lives and keep them subservient.

Equal opportunities for women and men are not possible without women being able to control their reproductive systems, so those who wish women to be subjugated to men and their lives kept outside the public sphere always try to remove women's access to contraception and abortion.

The major group behind the overturning of Roe is the far-right Evangelical Christians who have a very patriarchal concept of Christianity. That's what drives this in the US.

IcakethereforeIam · 03/07/2022 23:51

Wasn't there another 'progressive' judge who decided to retire under Trump rather than hanging on until there was a Democrat? I hate to do it but I must agree about RBG.

FrozZen · 03/07/2022 23:57

Confused here. USA is a Republic so each state can make its own laws. Roe lied 50 years ago, and openly admits it, which gave the Federal govt the Roe vs Wade case and abortion was made a federal eg central govt issue, rather than for each State and its constituents to decide.

She lied.

SCOTUS has considered all the facts and returned the right to determine whether abortions should be legal or not TO THE PEOPLE (electorate) in each state.

You want the law changed in your area? Lobby and vote accordingly. Locally.

Or have I completely misunderstood how a Republic rather than a democracy works?

MangyInseam · 04/07/2022 02:36

FrozZen · 03/07/2022 23:57

Confused here. USA is a Republic so each state can make its own laws. Roe lied 50 years ago, and openly admits it, which gave the Federal govt the Roe vs Wade case and abortion was made a federal eg central govt issue, rather than for each State and its constituents to decide.

She lied.

SCOTUS has considered all the facts and returned the right to determine whether abortions should be legal or not TO THE PEOPLE (electorate) in each state.

You want the law changed in your area? Lobby and vote accordingly. Locally.

Or have I completely misunderstood how a Republic rather than a democracy works?

I don't quite see how you are saying a lie was related, but yes, you are right about republics.

The federal government can pass laws in congress, there are certain things they have responsibility for while the states are responsible for other things.

In terms of the Supreme Court, it is a little different than the UK, they have more power to stand against Congress. But they can basically make judgments that reflect constitutional principles. Other things are up to the states or state courts.

It's closer to the EU and the countries within it or maybe something like the Scottish Parliament in the UK.

So a lot of the job of the SC is to determine whether laws are within what the constitution allows or not. In RvW, it was argued that the state abortion laws were not in accordance with the right to privacy as outlines in the Constitution. So all those laws were struck down and it restricted the scope of what laws states could make.

But when this judgement was reviewed in a new case, it was found to be unsound - the judges said the ruling was wrong, that the right to privacy does not apply in that way.

The reason for the change mainly has to do with there being two main schools of thought in terms of how loosely the constitution is interpreted. That being said, the original judgement was always been considered a pretty weak interpretation by constitutional scholars, which is to say it seemed forced and didn't fit in with other uses of the right of privacy.

If the Democrats wanted a federal law, they needed to have congress pass it. But that would have involved convincing people that it should be a federal rather than state level law.