British Cycling haven’t actually stopped Transwomen from competing in women’s events

[CaveMum]

Saw an item on News at 1 earlier which proves that Transwomen are still competing in women’s cycling events. Turns out the “suspension” of their trans inclusion policy only applies to new registrations going forward and that any Transwomen who registered before the suspension can carry on entering, and winning, women’s events.

iPlayer link, watch from 25:30: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0018srh/bbc-news-at-one-30062022

Interestingly I’ve searched the BBC website for an article on this and cannot find one. Not sure if that means it’s just not been put up yet or if they’re trying to give the story minimal coverage…

Give it time. It’s a start.

just watched that. it's always a bloke complaining about it being unfair isn't it.

but its sunshine. and women saying they are discouraged, feel pushed out, fear attacks, losing money and awards.

and yet the TW supporters still complain TW are THE MOST marginalised and discriminated against community

arghhhhhhhhhhhh

hopefully the Dail Mail will pick this up and it should add support to Nadine's arguments.

As for British Cycling, lying gits. There was nothing in their statement about existing TW being able to carry on competing. Absolute disgrace.

There's never any reasoning given for WHY exclusion is 'damaging' and WHY inclusion is 'better for society'. Just WHY????

That is an excellent point, and never properly answered. There's a reason why Paralympics are not inclusive of all, and there's a reason why many other groups are not inclusive of all. Boundaries are necessary, and not having boundaries is a psychological problem for individuals, too.

I think people confuse exclusion-is-bad because people who qualify for inclusion are not excluded, and exclusion-is-bad because women shouldn't be allowed to close doors against male people.

I assume similar cases could exist outside this issue where it is women who are told not to ever lock their doors or windows, not to fear a male presence in their toilets etc., but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

Thanks for the link.

It was covered briefly on PM this evening, including an audio clip from one of the women athletes impacted.

If they're allowing some men to compete, but not others, then surely there is a discrimination issue.

I said something similar about the Halifax debacle. They claim pronoun badges create a safe space. Do they? How? Show me your workings, don't just repeat your inane mantras on a loop.

I think we need to channel our inner child and just keep asking, 'but why? But why? How? How does it do that? But why?'

The right way to think of age, weight and sex categories (and the Paralympics) is therefore as inclusion measures. Without them prime-age males would push everyone else out. This is why the common framing of whether to allow males to compete as females as inclusion versus fairness has started to set my teeth on edge. I have used it myself many times, though at least I have always spelled it out: inclusion for males against fairness for females. But I’m not going to any more. Fairness and inclusion are aligned, not opposed. You need a female-only category both to include women and to be fair to them.

So that’s the argument for having certain categories and not others, and for why it’s “fair” to have certain natural advantages in your category, but not to identify into a category that was specifically set up to exclude people with your categorical advantage.

Helen Joyce's latest addresses the issues of fairness and inclusion.

Paywalled. www.thehelenjoyce.com/joyce-activated-issue-11/

Yes, I heard that on the BBC's Radio 4 Six o'clock News while I was cooking. I haven't had a chance to look into it yet, but unbelievable if true. Didn't the UCI get the memo? FFS.

Here's the link to the Beeb's website: "Cyclists claim trans riders still competing in British Cycling events"
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/62002890

The right way to think of age, weight and sex categories (and the Paralympics) is therefore as inclusion measures. Without them prime-age males would push everyone else out.

Should be repeated and repeated.

Female only categories are inclusion.

Thanks @TheBiologyStupid it’s taken them long enough to put something up,

You're very welcome, CaveMum. Yes, the Beeb is v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y getting there.

There are TW still competing in British Cycling races, they’re leading British Cycling “women”-only rides that increase participation at grassroots levels, and there’s TW competing in time trials that are run by CTT, even though they’re register as male with British Cycling.

As British Cycling do not record the sex of its members it has no way of knowing how many males are in their female category. It’s a shambles of the highest order in terms of data collection.

There’s a TW who is the highest ranked “woman” in my region.