RSE debate in HoC this afternoon (Thurs 30th)

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Miriam Cates, Rosie Duffield and Jackie DP are speaking. You can watch live from 3pm (or on catchup).
I will be attempting to do so around school run/swimming lessons/homework supervision.
MC was on Politics Live this morning apparently if anyone has a link to that catchup.

parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/7ac303e3-e1b9-4adf-b99f-358d93da3c93

Mind blowing isn’t it?!

When he told that story (and I’m very sorry for his loss), I thought…has he thought this through, does he realise what he’s telling everyone what he thinks teachers should be teaching?

I only became aware of this act when the INXS singer died, I was about 19, but even then I didn’t really understand it. Should we teach kids how to do other stuff (let your imagination run wild) safely. Honestly, I’m gobsmacked. School is there to teach the biological and relationship basics in my opinion, anything else you learn/discover on the way to becoming an adult with the ability to consent and realise and implement your own boundaries. In my opinion, no 15 year old is able to implement their own boundaries firmly and concisely.

Exactly - RSE isn’t about teaching children how to do sex. That’s private and it’s meant to be something they discover for themselves. Adults teaching kids the how of explicit sexual practices are grooming those kids.

I wish I could like posts.

sex and what you like, matures with age. It can be an enjoyable learning curve, but I would have serious doubts to those that wish to teach this aspect to underage kids under the cover of RSE.

Agree. There’s so much throwing kids in the deep end these days. ‘Well they’re learning about double fisting from porn, let’s teach them how to do it safely.’

Let’s not. Let’s check your hard drives instead.

Porn is the problem.

I'm sorry for his loss. Tackling porn and pupils' a awareness of the issues with porn is more appropriate.

Grateful Billie Eilish spoke out. More need to do so.

Oh FFS man. Has it not occurred to him that talking about the dangers of these acts will be bringing the acts themselves to the attention of kids that weren't previously aware of them? You could very easily end up in the position of more kids being put at risk, because they're trying things they wouldn't have done before and they've not taken in the safety message correctly.

‘Has it not occurred to him that talking about the dangers of these acts will be bringing the acts themselves to the attention of kids that weren't previously aware of them?’

I think there’s a lot that hasn’t occurred to him.

But also it’s not just about the physical dangers of the acts. There’s a significant emotional and psychological danger involved with encouraging kids to lurch into extreme sex acts, however ‘safely’. The people who engage in those practices have usually spent years becoming desensitised to less extreme acts. They have fetishised behaviour that most people would find painful and unnecessary for achieving sexual pleasure.

Gently, LRM needs to leave the kids alone.

Towards the end of the minister clip, did he say they're going to consult on what is now, the non-statutory guidance for planning RSE lessons? I couldn't quite make it out. Wondered if it'll become statutory.

It is very interesting that Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP avoided advocating for the teaching of critical thinking so that young men are able to analyse what might be safe and what might be dangerous to their wellbeing. [I've never known of any women of any age engaging in such dangerous behaviour as auto-asphyxiation; it seems to be a uniquely male sexual behaviour.]

I would have thought that teaching critical thinking would equip young people far better for working their way through many different things in life.

LRM also said he'd not intended to mention his nephew's tragedy beforehand which suggests he didn't have the parents' permission to share this with the world. He's got the integrity of a cockroach.

Robin Millar did well too.
The comparison between those who've genuinely looked in to this issue and the Labour MPs who just talk total cobblers is significant - and depressing.

Barnstorming is the single word I can think of to describe Miriam’s speech!
Informed, eloquent, calm, passionate.
I will be sending her an email!

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Yes, Miriam Cates is wonderful. Head and shoulders above that fellow who said this: -

FINA's latest ruling means you (sic) will not be able to swim unless you transitioned before you are twelve. And, so we are in a very difficult complex world .

So, biological males won't be able to compete against biological females if they undergo male puberty, with 12 as the watershed so women and girls retain their sporting category in a fairer way. This is to protect a category whose aim is inclusion in sports for females.

Indeed those biological males who don't undergo their 'transition' still have an entire sports category in which they can compete, right in their own sex category. Even if physically or mentally challenged, there is still the Paralympics. So, is he/she/furry upset that women may have a level playing field?

Where do these chappie bros stop misrepresenting things? Some of these men seem to really hate whenever women aren't screwed over disadvantaged versus males.

‘FINA's latest ruling means you (sic) will not be able to swim unless you transitioned before you are twelve. And, so we are in a very difficult complex world’

We’re really not. Nobody should be transitioning before adulthood. If that confines them to their own sex class for the purposes of competing in elite sport, we will live with that.

Bumping because that was magnificent and everyone needs to see it

Miriam Cates MP obviously, not the Labour fools

There is a new website to share examples of awful PSHE teaching and policies in schools - like the ones Miriam Cates has highlighted. It’s at freetospeak.co.uk. Thought it might interest some here. As Miriam says - sunlight is the best disinfectant.

That should be freetospeak.co.uk

That Russell Lloyd-Moyle speech is shocking. Setting aside the death of a 15 yo which we are all sorry to hear of because who wouldn't be, it's the usual emotional manipulation of the trans lobby; do as we want else we'll die.

The answer is not to teach kids how to engage safely in perverse sexual acts but to tell them 'don't do it'. Bring back critical thinking skills, get them to consider it properly, give them science-based info on what happens to the body when deprived of oxygen.

I don't want to listen to his speech again but I'm sure he used some inappropriate adjective about parents who don't discuss weird sexual practices with their kids - squeamish or embarrassed or something. Maybe the parents don't know that stuff, Russell. Maybe it's not as normal as some people think it is.

Yes, the idea that everyone knows about the euphemistically-called 'breath play' and that it's perfectly normal is extraordinary. I don't think he has the self-awareness to understand what he's revealing to us here. He seems to want school children to be taught what was once an extreme minority autoerotic/BDSM practice. No wonder so many girls are terrified at the idea of being adult human females and having to take on all the pornified expectations of their male contemporaries.

It is emphatically not normal for 15 year olds to engage in fetishistic sex. Says more about LRM.

@Pluvia I've consistently concluded that girls are running away from puberty and sexuality, especially if they are gay, and all that entails rather than wanting to be trans and running towards being a boy. If RSE entails talking about a wide range of sexual fetishes - mostly imposed upon girls/females - I can see why they might want to reject being female, its scary and sees them as party to male fantasies of porn level sexuality.

Agreed, SallyLockheart. But of course the minute a woman starts talking about this she's classified as a prude and a puritan and a vanilla pearl-clutcher, to be mocked and ridiculed for our joyless attitudes.

Is there a positive way of defining this objection to fetish and kink and BDSM that doesn't make us. sound like Mary Whitehouse?

Russell-Moyle has completely lost it.