Amanda Holden - wolf whistles

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Speechless ... just don't know what to post!

I'm not going to share my opinion of her, as that's not appropriate, but why oh why did she have to say this!

If you read the comments it's heartbreaking, throwback to the 1970s.

Cheers Amanda!

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Random bookmark word posted too when pasting! Oops

It's just click-bait. She's been asked to write an article that will get women furiously typing, rather than reflecting on any genuine recent experience.

Builders on building sites are no longer the main source of cat-calling. I don't say it's been entirely eliminated, but in the main, men on building sites know that local residents and passers-by will complain to the site manager.

In my experience, it's now mostly anonymous men shouting out of cars. In some ways, that's worse, because you never know if the driver is going to stop himself at verbal harassment, or whether he's going to stop the car and get out if you respond in a way he doesn't like.

She's always been an absolute beg.

Oh come on... you know these threads appear in Active and are posted on by many different types of people, including plenty of posters who don't call themselves feminists. It's intellectually lazy to treat this board as a homogenous group that engages in group think.

@GoodJanetBadJanet it's not because she's a woman. It's because she's manipulative. Same as the blokes that cling on to Katie Price. Greed for money and fame comes in all sexes.

Amanda is an attractive famous woman, she has a successful career, is financially secure and wealthy, appears to have a good marriage and is lucky to have two daughters.

Here is a women who appears to have 'everything', yet she is reportedly hopeful of soliciting whistles and 'oi oi' cat-calls from random male strangers now and in the future.

Why she needs to so publicly seek external validation to bolster her self-esteem is baffling.

Amanda is a woman who is rich enough that she can avoid ever entering a public place except for the times she's hoping for a wolf whistle.

She would like to remain in such a position, and is writing click bait for the Daily Mail to ensure it.

Amanda Holden is an attractive women but she is also such an attention seeker, always giving the press a flash of her body.

Enjoying sexual attention from the opposite (or same, if gay/bi) is perfectly normal and not some aberration. The reason we tell men not to do it is because not all women enjoy it and some women find it intimidating.

Many commenters sounding a bit Victorian school-marmish and some of the aspersions cast on Holden here strongly suggest that some have a lot of internal investigation of their own to do.

*fireflyboogaloo
Completely agree with all of that

And to humiliate the women.

Happened to me repeatedly as a young teen living opposite a building site. Honestly, I still think about it today, 40 years later, and not in a good way. It was horrible and I walked out of my way to avoid them. It's always women who have to change their behaviour, rarely the men. That seems to be changing, although also one step forward, two steps back.

Which feminist handbook says you have to support all women even when they are clearly taking advantage of others to get attention / money? Is that what we should be teaching our sons and daughters? Don't worry about working hard, just do what Anna Nicole Smith did.

"Enjoying sexual attention" - is that what being shouted at by random men driving past in their cars is, when you're just going about your business, perhaps with your small children with you?

And this idea that if you think it's not something to be enjoyed, you must be a prude, sex-negative, or some such tripe is bloody tiresome.

Locating your sense of self worth in how sexually attractive random men find you is clearly not mentally healthy.

This 100%

"Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don’t like, including all the women you don’t want to be around, including all the women who use to be your best friends whom you don’t want anything to do with any more. It doesn’t matter who the individual women are.” - Andrea Dworkin

4w.pub/my-feminism-is-for-the-women-who-hate-me-most/

Roses is quite correct, this is sad more than anything.

As I clearly stated, the reason that we tell men not to give this sort of attention to women is that not all women like it, and some women are intimidated by it.

You will note that I didn't say that I think those women are wrong to feel that way. You will also not that I didn't say that I think it's wrong that we've decided that this sort of attention is not socially acceptable, specifically because many women don't appreciate it.

But I'm also not about to pathologise and shame women who do enjoy this sort of attention from men—random or otherwise.

Disliking this sort of attention doesn't make anyone prudish or sex-negative.

Liking this sort of attention doesn't automatically denote crippling self-esteem issues and personality disorders.

Is she a bit dim? She sees it as a compliment, not as an expression of power and threat?

She's in her fifties, so possibly was raised in an environment where women were expected to cope with that kind of attitude (and pats on the bum, rubs on the bra strap - when I was working in admin in my early 20s - I'm in my 60s now - a manager pulled the drawstring at the top of my blouse and caused it to fall down to my waist, harhar, wasn't that funny?).

My dd is 40. I taught her to be aware of looks from men so that she could defend herself by not putting herself at further risk. My hope for my dgd (10) is that catcalling, whistling and other intimidatory behaviours will be outlawed soon. What the fuck to do protect her from porn and men's unreasonable expectations I don't know.

There will always be stupid women, and intelligent women who behave stupidly. The rest of us have to keep on working for a world that's safe for all women.

I like Amanda Holden. I think she is lovely but she needs to give the botox a rest now. Wolf whistles? Who cares

@Braggiography I like your reply. It's given me something to think about. I've read your link too. Sorry, I was probably being a dick.

Do you have any book recommendations?

This is the same Amanda Holden who sent her school aged daughter to World Book Day dressed as Pretty Woman and had to have it pointed out to her that the Julia Roberts character was a prostitute. So she's never been enlightened on this stuff.

It does other women a great disservice though when famous women say stupid stuff like this. My teenage daughter is harassed by men and boys EVERY time she leaves the house. Unless she's with a man. It's intimidating, rude and offensive. It happens whether she is wearing baggy clothes, long jumpers, a hat, whatever.

The point that people are missing is that this behavior from men is not about appreciation or giving a compliment, it's about objectifying women, it's offensive and rude and intimidating and it needs to fucking well stop.

She's invested a lot of money in making sure she gets attention. Nothing about her is feminist so I'm not surprised when she says things that don't sound very feminist.

Victorian school-marmish

Ooh, another one for the T-shirt of insults. I think it might become a chemise of insults at this rate.

PoseyFlump, I wouldn't worry, we all react sometimes, especially to offensive or damaging statements! . I'd love to rec a book, but I'm not really a feminist scholar, I'm afraid, my knowledge of the canon is hugely patchy and underwhelming. I've honestly learned more from the women on this board than I have from reading theory.

Maybe someone else has some good recs for feminist books?

Maybe someone else has some good recs for feminist books?

That would be great. Not too heavy, good introduction sort of stuff.

This happened to me when I was at the uni. Builders were doing some work by the library building and I had a paper to write so I had to go in every day, and it was over the holidays so there weren't very many young women to harass.

So they harassed me. Not just whistles, but comments about my body. They'd sit eating their sandwiches and give me points.

This went on for a few days, and there was only one entrance to the library so I had to pass them. Then one day they shouted at me for not smiling at me and called me a bitch and a c**t. One get red-faced, too.

Compliments...