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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Daughter's school suggesting gender neutral toilets and pronoun badges. Daughter is outraged

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bellinisurge · 28/06/2022 16:55

She's said I won't use the toilets and I don't want to have conversations with randoms about their pronouns.
I told her that obviously I agree with her and would shout it from an open topped bus parading around town if I could. But the reality is that she has to be careful who she says that to because the shit can get very poisonous.
Obviously if, despite that, she wants to voice her opinion there and take the consequences I will back her to the hilt.
What a world, eh?

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SpiderVersed · 28/06/2022 16:56

Have a look on Transgender Trend’s site for resources to battle this.

bellinisurge · 28/06/2022 17:00

Definitely going to. Thanks for the prompt

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/06/2022 17:05

This is where parents have to speak up on behalf of our children. This from Sex Matters is fantastic in laying out the discrimination at the heart of demands for mixed sex toilets, showers and pronoun enforcement. It would be a brave school that reads this and carries on:

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/schools-guidance/

NancyDrawed · 28/06/2022 17:08

Also Safe Schools Alliance has factsheets and template letters

safeschoolsallianceuk.net/

WildIris · 28/06/2022 17:10

Also try Safe Schools Alliance, OP. They may have additional information now given the announcement about the DfE dropping Stonewall.

safeschoolsallianceuk.net

WildIris · 28/06/2022 17:11

Oh, and well done to your daughter!!

achillestoes · 28/06/2022 17:11

In this case I’d speak to the school on my daughter’s behalf and make it clear her opinion isn’t the issue. Mine is.

bellinisurge · 28/06/2022 17:15

Dh was just giving a lift to Dd and a couple of pals (girls) one of whom asked the other what she thought. One is on the school council thing where this nonsense came from.
Dd kept quiet but DH said "excuse me for butting in but there is a high proportion of Muslim girls at your school. I'm not Muslim myself but I think that for at least some of them there will be a problem being in a state of undress or just without a hijab around males who aren't in their family". Cue response about there still being a few single sex loos. "Yes but this will reduce that number and it will limit those girls' access to toilets"
Go DH!

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bellinisurge · 28/06/2022 17:16

Thank you for all those links everyone

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ErrolTheDragon · 28/06/2022 17:27

Well done that DH!
Cue response about there still being a few single sex loos.
Sounds like they could convert a few of the loos to be any sex (needs doing properly not just a change of label) rather than inconveniencing (Hmm) the majority.

bellinisurge · 28/06/2022 17:57

The cohort at the school (mixed sex northern secondary) is about 30% Muslim. They will have a battle on their hands imposing this gender woo.

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RogersOrganismicProcess · 28/06/2022 17:58

Whoop whoop, go DH.

334bu · 28/06/2022 18:00

Although Scotland , shouldn't be much different where you are

forwomen.scot/12/06/2022/schools-must-provide-single-sex-toilets/

SolasAnla · 28/06/2022 18:07

She has as much right to express her opinion as any other child but the school many not be willing to support her.

Your job as parent is to stop the school before they kick off a new policy.
So get the policy documents from the school and date them as the school may change them.

One thing I would recomend is that she locks her social media down and prehaps tweek the spelling of her name.

I would teach her how to identify and to respond to provocation. And have some catch all phrase ("we are all entitled to express different opinions"
"your point is interesting I will have to think about that") tweeked to bland teen speak.

bellinisurge · 28/06/2022 19:18

Thanks @SolasAnla . Fortunately, her social media is locked down but I recognise that even her closest friends might be tricky. I'll keep an eye on it.

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