Could American women seek asylum elsewhere

[ChagSameachDoreen]

if pregnant and wanting access to an abortion?

Can Maltese women seek asylum?

Wouldn’t it be easiest for them to go to another state?

Can Polish women?

This. Abortion is legal in many states.

No, because as people have said abortion is legal in some states so they can't claim asylum from their current country as a whole.

In addition, in the UK at least, the requirements for asylum based on medical grounds are so high that I think most pregnant women would be unlikely to reach the necessary requirements

Whilst clearly the right to an abortion is not an asylum criteria, going to another state is not an option for many women. Those who have money and insurance will go elsewhere. The poor will end up on the back streets just as they did before. Making abortion illegal does not stop abortion, it makes abortion massively unsafe for many women.

If they can’t manage to get to another state, how would they get to another country?

No one has said otherwise. People are responding to the question about asylum claims.

I didn't say they had. I was responding to a specific post that suggested women could find it easier to go to another state. Going anywhere is not an option for many women.

Easier than another country!

I don't think lack of access to abortion is an Asylum matter. Otherwise all the women in Ireland (including NI,which is UK) would have been able to claim it until very recently.

I don't think lack of access to abortion is an Asylum matter.

I think it should be alongside other violations of women’s rights and safety.

Some states want to put in laws about travelling across state lines for abortion.
www.nytimes.com/article/abortion-travel-bans.html

All the English women in a froth about a country many thousands of miles away and nothing to do with them,
What about that nasty little corner of your own country- northern Ireland- where fundamentalist protestants are blocking abortions??
What are you going to do about that??
Offer asylum?

There has been plenty of discussion about NI here and also Poland - and sympathy with the women affected. Some posters have offered help and donations to affected women. What makes you think we haven’t or that we do t care? Or was this just an opportunity to hate on us?

As a woman, I have no country. My sisters are everywhere. We have differences but we are united by our biology.

You are partially correct - although I'm not sure that it isn't offensive assuming that everyone posting here is English (I'm not). But it is totally legal for women in Northern Ireland to cross to Great Britain and obtain an abortion - it's been going on for generations. It isn't a perfect answer, but free abortion is available to all UK citizens who meet the criteria.

It's been/being dealt with. It's far from ideal but women can at the worst, still travel to mainland UK. Anywhere in NI is going to be a hop, skip and a jump, distance wise compared to the sort of distances women in the US travel.

Of course, due to the time limits and lack of provision women in the Republic of Ireland also still travel to mainland UK.

Oh and btw, how do you know posters' nationality?

I'm not sure what the point of this wildly theoretical thread is as a practical solution.

If I were in America and if I were someone like Alexandria Ocasio Cortes or Elizabeth Warren , I might try to do something useful (for once) like lobby all the Hollywood celebrities they are likely to have easy access to , in the short term, set up a charitable fund to provide funding for women to travel between states.

That's by no means the answer in the long term but in the short term, millions could be raised very quickly from people who wouldn't even notice the loss of what for them would be small change.

I'm old enough to remember when Roe was decided. Even before Roe, some states allowed abortion, and women who could afford to traveled to those states to get a termination. It will be very difficult for some women, but likely easier than going to another country. As for those laws aiming to stop women from traveling to another state, they are probably unenforceable. There are long-established legal limits to which one state can enforce its laws across state borders.

I remember women's groups at university who used to fund raise for and run schemes that helped Irish women escape, come to England, have an abortion, recover in a safe place, and return home. I suspect those days are coming back.

I suspect we're also about to see enforced pregnancy tests on women leaving the country in certain countries unless women start making drastic noise and getting bloody difficult en masse right now.

Much as I like the theory, half of them are too afraid of the gun lobby to take that on with words, never mind money. It’s a perversity of logic that many of the people screaming out against abortion (pro-life?) are also the rabid defenders of the right to shoot and kill people with guns.

Just as is the case in the UK, the bigger problem is the silent majority. I read an article yesterday that said that a Pew survey showed that fully 61% of the US public is in favour of free and legal abortion in all or most cases – even most of the 37% opposed to abortion being legal agree that there should be exceptions in some cases. www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/05/06/wide-partisan-gaps-in-abortion-attitudes-but-opinions-in-both-parties-are-complicated/

The power of these lobbies lies not in numbers but in influence, and that only works as long as politicians are more afraid of them than they are of the majority of voters. The answer still lies where is always has, and when voters wake up to that fact, then things will change. Few celebrities will use their influence or risk being associated with the pro-choice lobby if it makes them a target of the pro-lifers.

why would they need to claim asylum? Surely they would just make a trip over and return?

All the English women in a froth about a country many thousands of miles away and nothing to do with them,

'Froth' - silly, hysterical, what a lot of nonsense
it's a country too far away to care about
It's nothing to do with you

Sit down, be quiet, look the other way, don't rock the boat, don't care about anyone but yourself, if it's not happening directly to you you've no business mentioning it, other people may think badly of you -

what other subject do women so often get these authoritarian, derogative, unpleasant tactics deployed on them to shut them up and prevent them inconveniencing a political lobby?

Oh yes. Another hugely misogynist one.

Any minute now we'll get the hints that any woman that cares about this is probably also racist, right wing evangelical and saggy titted. Bingo card is at the ready.

Much as I like the theory, half of them are too afraid of the gun lobby to take that on with words, never mind money. It’s a perversity of logic that many of the people screaming out against abortion (pro-life?) are also the rabid defenders of the right to shoot and kill people with guns

There's nothing to stop the Hollywood liberals setting something up themselves then. Normally what a celeb thinks is not something I give much credence to but in this case I think if they all stepped up it would help, at least in the short term.

www.vulture.com/2022/06/roe-v-wade-hollywood-reacts.html

www.google.com/amp/s/pagesix.com/2022/06/24/celebrities-react-to-supreme-court-overturning-roe-v-wade/amp/

www.wonderwall.com/celebrity/celebrities-react-to-scotus-overturning-roe-v.-wade-615640.gallery

While this madness is going on, they should be able to still access clinics in other states, like California, that have confirmed they will stick to supporting a woman's right to choose. Or I assume Canada will help too.

Not ideal but hopefully this crazy decision can be challenged and reversed.

And yet @WindowsSmindows TRAs are currently all over twitter blaming British feminists for this happening whilst simultaneously shouting that we’re not speaking up

as usual a womens place is on the wrong eh