How do gender theorists classify those with severe learning difficulties?

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I have a younger brother with very severe learning difficulties. He is now entering his teens and is becoming a man. He is non-verbal and has absolutely no concept of gender identity.
How do people who buy into gender being self ascribed, define people like my brother? He can’t self ascribe.

Argh, that video.... Completely oblivious to the fact that carers, education people, parents, others who love and look after the person in question know the person and carefully observe and follow their likes, dislikes, preferences, in clothes, music, toys and favourite objects etc etc. It's a normal every day part of caring. There will be a wide spectrum of preferences for people of both sexes, without anyone needing to run around worrying about should they change the person's pronouns and stuff them into a gender box. This is about serving the needs of adults writing these packs by the production of these packs.

Another one here with a disabled sibling. Gowing up alongside her certainly shaped how I see the world and gave me an insight into how the world sees her.

The one I always wonder about is the 'wrong body' thing. I mean if the bodies of perfectly ordinary NT girls and boys can be 'wrong', what on earth must they think of her? (or anyone with an obvious outward sign of disability?)

(and of course you can extrapolate to anybody with something which could be considered 'wrong' - nose too big, boobs too small, too fat, too thin...?)

'Wrong body' just seems so ablist to me.

That says it all about 'inclusiveness'.

Yes, it is. I have a physical disability. There are things most people's bodies can do that I can't. My body still isn't 'wrong' - it's the only one I have and I make the best of it. I once brought this up to TRAs on Twitter and they accused me of being envious because 'trans children' could have surgery to fix their 'defective' bodies but I couldn't, and clearly this was the reason I was opposed to children transitioning. It was quite upsetting and I say that as someone who has been in lots of internet arguments.

That would be very upsetting. I have significant burn scars. I’m not in the body I was born with because of these. It’s still the right one though because it’s mine.
Imagine calling someone with a perfectly functioning penis or vagina a “defective body”.
Their “kindness” is so cruel.

I've asked this a few times. I've never got an answer.

However, in Maya Forstater's recent employment tribunal, one of her ex-managers explained that without a gender identity, someone was "just a corpse".

They’re just too kind. I’m completely overwhelmed by the kindness of this ideology.

It bugs me when we can be all essentialist about a dress being emphatically female but not a vagina. So if you wear a dress you're female more emphatically than if you have a vagina. Makes no sense. Dresses are just fashion. I'm sure some tribe somewhere has all the men wearing dresses and they are all still male. I've never understood the conflation of gender identity and fashion. Weird as anything.

Yeah I was at a kids’ event funded by the local council earlier and they handed out feedback forms — I wasn’t surprised to see a question on “what gender do you identify with”, but the final one was “do you identify as disabled”. 😬 As if it’s possible to identify in and out of disability as you please. Proper pissed me off!

Well - perhaps not what you were edging towards but - a transphobe who deserves to be burnt at the stake with everyone else who doesn't or can't keep up with the stupidly esoteric gender vocabulary they insist upon.

My daughter pointed out a recent trend on tiktok of young gender ideologues whinging about their horribly hateful terfy siblings who dead named them or didn't use the correct pronouns. They got lots of support and sympathy, despite the fact the siblings they were complaining about had learning difficulties and/or were autistic and minimally verbal 🙄

I seem to remember one of them saying that a woman with dementia isn’t a woman because she doesn’t have an identity.

Hmm, the transwoman I know - yes, shock horror I know a transwoman well and funnily enough like them - is starting to suffer from dementia, so according to TRAs will no longer have any identity at all? How fucking hideous these people are.

Haha. So funny.

My daughter pointed out a recent trend on tiktok of young gender ideologues whinging about their horribly hateful terfy siblings who dead named them or didn't use the correct pronouns. They got lots of support and sympathy, despite the fact the siblings they were complaining about had learning difficulties and/or were autistic and minimally verbal 🙄

As I said, the ableism is horrific

Well - perhaps not what you were edging towards but - a transphobe who deserves to be burnt at the stake with everyone else who doesn't or can't keep up with the stupidly esoteric gender vocabulary they insist upon.

The only time I have got into a conversation about pronouns with people who I was pretty sure weren't going to agree with me, was because one of my friends said she'd been 'pulled up for misgendering someone' in her office. My (disabled) sister volunteers in that same office. I just thought - what are they going to do when my sister inevitably mis-genders this person? Are they going to discipline her? For saying out loud what everybody else is trying very hard not to? Will she be called a transphone? (which is what I ended up being called in this conversation!) It's just so nonsensical.

Luckily she hasn't been in very much recently because of covid,

excuse typos and posting too soon!

If this issue ever comes up for my sister at work I won't hesitate to remind her supervisor that her right to tell the truth is protcted under the law.

And they have the nerve to try and tell us to "be kind". The whole gender ideology movement is a house of cards built by people who are so envious of not having something about them that others have been oppressed for, that they had to invent one to identify into.

Absolutely this. Imagine if the resources focused on "trans" issues were put into supporting people with disabilities. I don't remember the flags, parades, special dispensations for people with disabilities. Doesn't their vulnerability matter?