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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Verso Books are breaking the ratio record

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achillestoes · 23/06/2022 14:02

This independent publishing company thinks referring to Indian women as ‘womb carriers’ on Twitter is acceptable language to use when talking about women being forcibly sterilised. I think they’re about to break the internet. Piers Morgan and Andrew Doyle are on it.

It might be the straw that breaks this dehumanising trend’s back. Certainly worse than any other phrase I’ve come across.

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IcakethereforeIam · 23/06/2022 16:28

"Non-sperm-chuckers allowed on the Internet again"

Braggiography · 23/06/2022 16:32

'womb carriers carry on'

Braggiography · 23/06/2022 16:34

'uterine receptacles spout bigoted bile'

I am also available for Pink News gigs, btw.

LemonSwan · 23/06/2022 16:39

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 23/06/2022 16:22

Twitter have titled it ‘People react to a Tweet from Verso Books that uses the phrase ‘womb carriers’. Fair play to Twitter for being impartial and stating the facts clearly.

perhaps I just lack imagination, but I don’t see how they could spin it! How would you summarise this in a TRA-biased manner?

By blocking it from trending, or not titling it at all.

It’s not a hashtag. It’s picking up every tweet using womb and discussing it - not just those who are commenting in reply (only c. 1000) or those quote tweeting and retweeting. So I am assuming someone had to look at the situation and physically title it.

Have to give credit where credit.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 23/06/2022 16:43

334bu · 23/06/2022 14:45

Incredibly racist as well as misogynistic. Reducing Native American women to " womb carriers" is appalling!

I'm waiting for a neutron star level of density to form around that tweet.

I find it impossible to believe that the author of that tweet didn't realise for a nanosecond that were continuing to perpetuate the dehumanisation and reduction to metonymic parts that allowed that atrocity in the first place! 😡

Surely, there will be a day when that person is going about their business and they will be struck to the ground by the realisation of what they wrote in that tweet, with what they've colluded, and the consequences that will ripple through for women.

achillestoes · 23/06/2022 16:46

Today we have naming of metonymic parts (thanks, @EmbarrassingHadrosaurus).

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McDuffy · 23/06/2022 17:15

Now I've been around for a while, but just been pondering how "womb carrier" or "uterus haver" or "vagina owner" isn't more upsetting to those with gender dysphoria than "woman". I think I'm missing something, but wouldn't it be triggering to have people talk about body parts you wish you did/didn't have?

achillestoes · 23/06/2022 17:18

They’ve deleted it. Re-Verso Books.

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Musomama1 · 23/06/2022 17:21

A womb carrier? Is that literally a bag for life?

achillestoes · 23/06/2022 17:22

A Womb With a View.

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334bu · 23/06/2022 17:28

A womb carrier? Is that literally a bag for life

😂@

achillestoes · 23/06/2022 17:28

And the Daily Mail has asked them for comment.

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flashpaper · 23/06/2022 17:34

Fancy using the terms "womb-carrier" and "misogynistic" in the same sentence. I'm sure you can only be misogynistic to one type of human...

GCRich · 23/06/2022 17:35

McDuffy · 23/06/2022 17:15

Now I've been around for a while, but just been pondering how "womb carrier" or "uterus haver" or "vagina owner" isn't more upsetting to those with gender dysphoria than "woman". I think I'm missing something, but wouldn't it be triggering to have people talk about body parts you wish you did/didn't have?

By that logic trans men wouldn't get pregnant, because that would be rather triggering!

I think that your question might inadvertently reveal the truth.

Being a trans woman has nothing to do with wombs or uteruses or eggs, because womanhood is nothing to do with the female body, it is about a set of rights (using the safer, women's toilets) and rituals (giggling with your friends about boys and make-up) and physical signifiers of your brains thoughts (such as having long hair to prove your brain is female). Being a trans woman isn't even about fake tits or an inverted penis in most cases.

In other words "woman" is triggering because they want to be a woman but they know they aren't. Body parts are not triggering because being a woman has nothing to do with a physical body.

Likewise trans men are identifying out of the male gaze and sexual harrassment. They have no problem with having a vagina, their problem is that other people - men - know they have a vagina.

georgarina · 23/06/2022 17:39

Holding my breath for the apology...

GeorgiaMcGraw · 23/06/2022 17:39

Musomama1 · 23/06/2022 17:21

A womb carrier? Is that literally a bag for life?

Boom boom! 10/10

MissStarry · 23/06/2022 17:41

So sick of this revolting, degrading and dehumanising language being used as if it’s perfectly acceptable.

It’s not even thrown as an insult which would still clearly be not ideal but it’s so outrageous and outlandish a term, that it couldn’t be taken that seriously, also if levelled through fury then it’s easier to dismiss and laugh at.

Its the gall of it being some kind of disgusting ongoing attempt to implement this degrading terminology as a perfectly acceptable new common parlance, used with no overt sense of how offensive and ridiculous it is - when that’s not hard to understand… simply by flipping the script to use bollock-touters for men it’s obviously equally unacceptable!!!

This kind of deeply offensive bullshit is why I left Twitter tbh 🤬🤬🤬

Clymene · 23/06/2022 17:46

achillestoes · 23/06/2022 17:18

They’ve deleted it. Re-Verso Books.

Just as well @PurgatoryOfPotholes screenshotted it.

Lest we forget Wink

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 23/06/2022 17:51

Clymene · 23/06/2022 17:46

Just as well @PurgatoryOfPotholes screenshotted it.

Lest we forget Wink

I've got the first two tweets in my clipboard, in case anyone is using a screenreader, too.

Tweet 1 In the 1970s up to 50% of Native womb carriers were sterilized against their will by the Indian Health Service (IHS).

Tweet 2 Stripping our womb-carriers of their ability to have children is the continuation of over 500 years of misogynistic violence against Indigenous peoples.

KittenKong · 23/06/2022 17:52

Have they deleted it? I’m hoping for a full and grovelling apology…

achillestoes · 23/06/2022 17:53

Now they’re saying they’re quotes from a book. So the way (the new way) to publicise a ‘feminist’ book is to... be offensive to women.

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KittenKong · 23/06/2022 18:03

oh I see… so I CAN sing all the lyrics to Gold Digger then…? Great…

okey doke - if anyone is looking for me later, I’ll be in Charing Cross hospital…

TheBiologyStupid · 23/06/2022 18:05

Apparently Indian is an insult in the US for N.A, cf. Cowboys and Indians.
Verso are cowboy publishers, they’d know.

😂

TheBiologyStupid · 23/06/2022 18:13

So they think that the sterilisation of intersectional Native American womb carriers is appalling, but of autistic teenage girls not so much? I guess I really MUST educate myself, because any non-consensual sterilisation is bad in my opinion.