Janice Turner in the Times on what went wrong at the Tavistock

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A great article from Janice, an evidenced and informative read about the nature of the treatment of teenage girls at the Tavistock with the involvement of adult trans activists and lobby groups in determining how these girls were treated being specifically detailed.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e1356292-ebdd-11ec-8821-d2e916a7eab3?shareToken=be1bbdedaf3cdb8c615e7e185ab135d7

In Lucy's article, when Alex describes not being able to feel love or understand what attraction feels like because of blocked puberty... well, that's utterly heartbreaking.

Between these two articles and the strongly worded one by Jordan Peterson in yesterdays Telegraph it feels like they are now pulling no punches about child transition. I know they have reported on it for a few years now but more cautiously and couched in gentler language.

I'm wondering if some sections of the press have had a preview or heads up about the imminent Cass Review?

Suzanne Moore has also written a very pointed thread about the horrors of this experimentation on young girls.

twitter.com/suzanne_moore/status/1537840392271536128

Oh that article is amazing and horrifying - how can medical professionals have been complicit in this? I note the line about even stonewall can sense things are changing

This quote from Dr Bell resonates. Not just about what is happening now but so many cultural things that are reflected back at us via the pain of young women and girls.

“So I think we have a group who, at one time, would have been anorexic. A lot of them became self-harmers, had borderline personalities, and then became transgender. So they’re people dealing with similar kinds of problems, but they get refracted through the lens of what’s going on in the culture.”

Is there any way to link to that telegraph article?

Telegraph don't do share tokens I'm afraid, and if I cut and paste it gets modded away. Sorry

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/06/16/sacrificing-children-altar-brutal-far-left-ideology/

There may be reading options in the usual places

That is cracking journalism. I cancelled my guardian subscription after their horrific coverage of the WiSpa incident. This has now cemented it for me, i am taking out a subscription to thw Times, and will be writing to the editor to tell them why.

I would distrust any movement that displays a toral lack of curiosity and questioning. The fact that gender ideology consistently tries to sweep this shit under the carpet should be enough to have alarm bells ringing all over the place. These are some of the most vulnerable kids in the country we are talking about, and they are being brutalised on the back of next to no evidence of benefit and no follow up thay would conclusively show the risks of harm.

Organisations like SW should be sinking their millions into more research, to help understand the needs of gender questioning young people and support them in the most effective ways. But they wont because nothing is allowed to threaten the ideology. They will not hear the inconvenient truths. And that is why they are so fucking dangerous.

Scroll through this thread
ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/107616/we-are-sacrificing-our-children-on-the-altar-of-a-brutal-far-left-ideology-jorda

Archive link (nada paywall) for the Telegraph article: archive.ph/mfDcy

Two fantastic pieces of journalism. I hope Kath Viner at The Guardian reads them. I will buy a paper copy tomorrow. The anger will never go away though, and my loss of trust in authority. And young adults are still having their lives ruined, I know one and it breaks my heart.

They’ll still deny, obfuscate and bullshit. Ideology rides roughshod over evidence and facts and reality as we’ve seen only too well over the just 10 years.

it’s great that the Times is shining light on these unethical medical practices, though, I agree. It’s a brilliant article.

Ah but this can all be hand-waved away with a graph showing the increase in people who are left-handed after it became more accepted, apparently.

(That's the latest TRA argument, I'm sick of the sight if that damned graph.)

Agree, great journalism. Although it makes me feel a bit angry and sick.)

Thanks for the links - great articles.

Thanks for the share tokens. Both articles were excellent.

Ah but this can all be hand-waved away with a graph showing the increase in people who are left-handed after it became more accepted, apparently.

i'd not seen this before but as a left handed person I've always been interested in how many of us there are. It's absolutely true that the percentage of left handed people is higher in societies where there is no/minimal stigma against left handedness. However, we are only talking of a difference of around 10%. This is totally different to the increase in referrals of girls wanting to transition.

Excellent articles, thanks for sharing them.

It's in the Saturday Times Magazine section today so will reach a wide audience.

“So I think we have a group who, at one time, would have been anorexic. A lot of them became self-harmers, had borderline personalities, and then became transgender. So they’re people dealing with similar kinds of problems, but they get refracted through the lens of what’s going on in the culture.”

As someone who first became anorexic as a teenager, and has struggled with eating disorders ever since, this is the reason I first became alarmed by this social contagion. The similarities were so clear to me from the outset. I am so pleased to see this being highlighted.

Thought exactly this

One thing that strikes many people is wondering how doctors can be complicit in this. Medical doctors are susceptible to these horrors because the way they work means they rarely take personal responsibility for their work. Sounds wrong right? But if you look at the legal side it's very uncommon for doctors to be prosecuted because they tend to band together to protect one another. Obviously good for them but it means that more often than you mught expect, they aren't held accountable for their actions.

Oh, this is going to be controversial. But I think we have inadvertently done a huge amount of harm with the mantra (repeated in an effort to rightly destigmatize mental illness) that mental illnesses are just like physical illnesses.

Mental ill health is a result of environment or experience. I'm not going to say it never has a spontaneous biological cause because I cannot prove that. We have got to a place where we believe theories (e.g. monamine depression theory) as fact and rely on medication to treat what are normal responses to negative situations. What we view as 'normal' or non-pathological behaviour has an ever narrower range. The majority of the population has some kind of diagnosis.

The treatment of gender dysphoria is no different to the treatment for other kinds of mental ill health, for which the initial offerings are also medication.

The treatment of gender dysphoria is no different to the treatment for other kinds of mental ill health, for which the initial offerings are also medication.

This is a very good point.

Many medications for mental health also come with very unpleasant side effects where the benefit is weighed against the impact of those effects - albeit these are not permanently life altering ones such as a permanent removal of fertility or capacity to be a full and equal participator in a sexual relationship, and possibly permanently preventing full brain and body maturity every occurring. (Not yet known, this is still emerging.)

However anyone working with children with mental health needs knows how very very reluctant professionals are to move to medication, and how much other strategies must have been tried first and proven not to be successful. And that it is very rare for children to be medicated or even seen to be considered for medication below a certain age regardless of severity of need.

It is the fixed belief that 'transition is the answer' rather than being able to look more holistically at a child - and to do so in itself is seen as an intolerable act of transphobia. This fixed and extreme belief in transition being the one true and only answer - and better to transition and accept some children will later wish they hadn't and be harmed by it - than to miss the children it would help, is in itself the barrier to more thoughtful, careful, less invasive treatment.

It has become politics led. Not needs led. With the drive being to serve the adult agendas within the politics and not primarily to do no harm and meet the needs of the individual child. Over and over in the whistleblowing accounts it is mentioned how much the centres became owned, directed and controlled by political lobby groups instead of remaining independent. The capture is the problem. This should never have been permitted.

And frankly the TQ+ political agenda would be in a far, far stronger place now if they had resisted the urge to capture and control, and instead trusted that the results would happen independently of them to prove that they were right. Interesting that they did not have this trust.

Very well put, Artichoke - thanks!

Thank you @Artichokeleaves for that thoughtful comment. I fully agree.
Fantastic article by Janice T.