Hospice UK joining Stonewall and Gires in Pride month

[OhHolyJesus]

And they group Intersex people in with Trans and 'gender diverse' people whilst they're at it...

twitter.com/hospiceuk/status/1537014376745541633?s=20&t=x3wiFZvSpo_MI6pdDvZR4A

I can't think of anything worse for the people who are dying and their families than to contend with this ideology on top of all their other real, practical concerns. It's bad enough that the erosion of single sex spaces and NHS care has me worrying about my elderly mother and the likely situations where I will have to advocate for her to not be intimately touched by a man.

Of course Hospice Uk want to make people as comfortable as possible in end-of-life care but this is virtue signalling, the timing is odd and so I wonder who is behind this. Who has been having meetings with the CEO?

I have to wonder about the due diligence of organisations that continue to involve people with VSD in this.

It's very dispiriting.

Oh no, they say they want to treat all patients needing end of life care with dignity and respect, including people who are trans.
Utter bastards. 😡
Wait .. what?! 😕🙄

the timing is odd
It's Pride Month like you say yourself in your title, so hardly odd, sounds like a perfect time?
and so I wonder who is behind this. Who has been having meetings with the CE
Why does it have to be a conspiracy theory?
Pride Month so organisations shows their support.
Although if we're going down the conspiracy route my bet's on aliens.

To be fair, I don't have a problem with generally being 'inclusive' (and normally I fucking hate that word!) of trans people when it comes to end of life care.

Why the fuck they are lumping people with DSDs in with this though, I don't know.

Gires has been after the conflation of trans and intersex (specifically AIS) for over 10 years and they don't seem to see that this only increases mistrust in them..

Why do GIRES and Stonewall think they have any business speaking for people who have DSDs?

To be fair, I don't have a problem with generally being 'inclusive' (and normally I fucking hate that word!) of trans people when it comes to end of life care.

I bloody do, unless the scope of inclusiveness is clearly and explicitly limited. Are single sex wards going to be compromised by this?

Are they “including” trans care recipients (how exactly were they ever excluded?) or does their inclusiveness initiative extend to trans medical staff? Are dying women going to have their vulnerability exploited for the sake of inclusiveness?

Are they “including” trans care recipients (how exactly were they ever excluded?)
Well, it'll be because of people saying stuff like "how exactly were they ever excluded?* then in the next breath refusing to see them as trans/repeatedly misgendering them etc.

Well, it'll be because of people saying stuff like "how exactly were they ever excluded?* then in the next breath refusing to see them as trans/repeatedly misgendering them etc.

I have zero patience with this nonsense. This is moronic.

I have no idea why you think hospice nurses would “misgender” a dying trans person just because like any person with eyes and ears, they know what sex that person is. Have you got any evidence of that ever having happened, even once? Hospice nurses are there to alleviate suffering.

No one is excluded from hospice care because people are able to tell what sex they are. There is no logical connection there whatsoever. It’s bollocks.

I have zero patience with this nonsense. This is moronic
Oh Ok.
You're doing a banging job of showing exactly why they feel the need to show that they care for everyone with respect, by the way.

You're doing a banging job of showing exactly why they feel the need to show that they care for everyone with respect, by the way.

I’m sure that if I could parse that, it would have been very cutting.

The problem with 'inclusion' is that the use of the word has become so corrupted and corporatised that it no longer means 'inclusive'.
Instead of meaning that it includes trans people, it's increasingly used as justification by organisations to ignore their legal obligations towards women.
Take the hospice. If this simply meant that they support the trans people in their care, we'd all be behind that.
But it doesn't.
Now it's a giant red flag that means that the women in their care, when they are often frail, confused or vulnerable, can't trust them.
They can't trust that their request for female-only intimate care will be respected.
They can't trust that if they request a female carer instead of a male one, they won't be chastised for hate speech and their request ignored.
'Inclusion' isn't inclusion if it excludes women when they are at their most vulnerable.

I have no idea why you think hospice nurses would “misgender” a dying trans person just because like any person with eyes and ears, they know what sex that person is.
Errr... you kind of contradict yourself wildly there.
No idea why you'd think they'd "misgender" (your quotation marks, not mine) but then go on to say any person with eyes and ears know what that sex that person is? Implying you'd be one such person who'd do exactly that.

No idea why you'd think they'd "misgender" (your quotation marks, not mine) but then go on to say any person with eyes and ears know what that sex that person is? Implying you'd be one such person who'd do exactly that

I was going to answer this but it’s giving me a headache. I mean… really? I’ll have to leave it you to figure out how human beings could possibly be capable of seeing one thing and saying something completely different.

No one is excluded from hospice care because people are able to tell what sex they are.
I never said they would be excluded from hospital care, so not sure where you've got that from.

Hospice nurses are there to alleviate suffering
They'd be doing that to the best of their ability how though if they were to have a mindset like yours when caring for people who are trans?

I never said they would be excluded from hospital care, so not sure where you've got that from.

Hospice care. The subject of the thread. And you were answering the question “How were they ever excluded?” So, you know, that’s where I got that from. I see now that where I went wrong was in the assumption that your words have meanings.

They'd be doing that to the best of their ability how though if they were to have a mindset like yours when caring for people who are trans?

case in point.

Just want to repeat this because it is very eloquent and is the actual point of this thread. I apologise to everyone reading for getting sidetracked by the derailing nonsense.

Hospice care. The subject of the thread
Bloody autocorrect, apologies for that bit, I definitely typed hospice and not hospital!

apologise to everyone reading for getting sidetracked by the derailing nonsense.
Oh, here we go. Anything that isn't'' the same opinion as mine is derailing nonsense, even though it's discussing the exact same subject''.
Read the posts you want to read then and stay happily in your little echo chamber.

Women… can't trust that their request for female-only intimate care will be respected.

That is what matters here.

They are lugging people with DSD into this despite individuals and groups demanding they don’t.

Plus this means mixed sex wards in hospice care? Yes my dad would have bloody well loved that. And mum would have gone spare. Grandma would have started a riot.

Women… can't trust that their request for female-only intimate care will be respected
They've said they take everyone's needs for care into account.

How can they? A terminally ill woman could therefore be put on a mixed sex ward and unable to ask for a woman to carry out washing/intimate care.

this can’t work both ways.

They've said they take everyone's needs for care into account.

They have partnered with organisations that have an explicit policy of ignoring and trampling all over women’s needs for same sex care and same sex spaces. Do you have any reason to think that they won’t follow the recommendations of GIRES?

There have been multiple incidents across the NHS where this has not happened, including one where a woman's request for a female-only intimate exam was ignored, and when she wrote requesting female-only care and disclosed that this was down to trauma and experience of sexual abuse, her letter was used in 'inclusion- training materials as an example of bigotry.
So no, I don't believe they will take women's needs into account. They can't.
If they don't recognise female-only care as a valid need, then they won't be meeting those needs.
Across the NHS, hospitals, care homes and every place where women are vulnerable, we are seeing 'inclusion' used to override the privacy and dignity of women, even when they explicitly request it.