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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Racism and rainbow laces in the NHS

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lanadelgrey · 15/06/2022 08:15

Makes me furious hearing about the racism being reported in the news but all that effort going into lanyards, pronoun badges and more.
The obvious and awful issue being overlooked or possibly papered over by the rainbow stripes.
My DD is named after a doctor who played an important role in her dad’s life: non-white, non-UK so never made it to consultant but wonderful and brilliant person

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VestofAbsurdity · 15/06/2022 14:13

ChagSameachDoreen · 15/06/2022 08:27

It infuriates me when so many resources are being poured into changing simple languages like "women" to "people who have cervixes" - terminology that won't be understood by some women with English as a second language, or limited reading skills. Inclusivity nowadays includes gender and that's it. Nobody cares about improving outcomes for black/Asian, working class and disabled people. The stonewall lobby has done so much damage, and our public institutions have paid them for the privilege.

Oh but don't they just love taking our money in the form of tax to do this? Perhaps those the NHS, ignore, insult, discriminate against should refuse to hand over their money to an organisation that so dismisses and derides them, I am sure that the miniscule percentage of the people they are pandering to will pick up the shortfall in funding for them.

MangyInseam · 15/06/2022 15:54

I think there are a lot of artificialities being created across these DIE initiatives in many sectors because the way they set up the questions or problems is itself quite compromised.

Inclusion of disabled people is in some ways very different than many of the other groups, because very often it' sabout the very physical, measurable barriers that belong to individuals. Sure, you can talk about the stats for access for those with disabilities, to health services, or leisure activities, or work. But there is no serious way to address those apart from looking at the very individual needs related to specific direct barrier, and often not even to a group, but to an individual. So maybe you want bus destinations to be announced through a speaker for blind riders, or you need to change an office set up for a specific worker with a specific mobility issue. Concrete problems and concrete solutions, and in some situations it is even clear that there is no solution - the worker with the mobility problem can be accomodated just fine in one office environment, but not working in a warehouse, and that is ok.

But for most of the other groups, the problems are less concrete, less individual. Sometimes their identification is mainly about statistical disparities, with very little real attention to the actual mechanism of the disparity. Sometimes the diaparities are considered good or bad for what seem to be arbitrary reasons. Very often the most efficient solutions to the disparies on a group level are unclear, or would be unacceptable to address directly for good reasons. Sometimes it seems that the disparities are artifacts of something completely different or poor statistical analysis. Often, when you look at an individuals real situation, it is completely at odds with the situation of the group and talking about addressing the disparity concretel is a nonsense.

So for the first group, solutions tend to instantiated in concrete ways measurable by individuals, but which also require real action, in the second group real action may be difficult or impossible, with unclear results for individuals, and yet scemes to combat those disparities are typically performative and cheap.

BlackeyedSusan · 15/06/2022 15:57

ChagSameachDoreen · 15/06/2022 08:27

It infuriates me when so many resources are being poured into changing simple languages like "women" to "people who have cervixes" - terminology that won't be understood by some women with English as a second language, or limited reading skills. Inclusivity nowadays includes gender and that's it. Nobody cares about improving outcomes for black/Asian, working class and disabled people. The stonewall lobby has done so much damage, and our public institutions have paid them for the privilege.

This.

thanks

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