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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Drag Queen Story Time

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LizzyStrata · 13/06/2022 10:33

First time posting here, so not sure of the etiquette. My apologies if this is the wrong place to raise these concerns.

Reading Borough Council is planning to hold Drag Queen Story Hour events in our libraries during the summer holidays. I’ve written to my MP, my councillors, and the Head of the Library Service to raise concerns. I think drag is entirely inappropriate for children, as it is a form of adult entertainment, highly sexualised and misogynistic, that blurs boundaries and undermines safeguarding.

The response Ive had is simply that they have received very few complaints so no reason to cancel.

Has anyone had any experience of tackling their local library over this issue? Grateful for any tips.

Also, if you live in Berkshire ,would you be willing to write and share your concerns?

thanks!

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Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 21:03

MaudeYoung · 25/07/2022 20:56

I don't think that anyone is attempting to ban so-called 'drag'. What is happening is a demand that it be kept well away from children.

Unfortunately, 'Drag Race' on TV seems to have served unwittingly to groom some adults to believe that 'drag' is fine, because the TV performances were not as sexualised. Hence they think it is relatively safe to take their kids, until they get there and discover how sexualised it can be.

All this 'drag' stuff seems to have sprung up from the exposure of 'drag' on TV and some men have spotted an opportunity.

One also has to ask the question why do these men want to be close to children all of a sudden? In the past, men have never run a tour of Story Time in libraries across the country except, perhaps, a favourite author of children's books reading bits of his own stories.

"I don't think that anyone is attempting to ban so-called 'drag'. What is happening is a demand that it be kept well away from children."

Yes and some children will enjoy drag queen story time and their parents certainly enjoy taking them - or else they would stop taking them. Keep up.

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 21:06

VestofAbsurdity · 25/07/2022 20:57

A man wearing a skirt is not a threat to children. Have you ever been to Scotland?

It's not a fucking skirt it is a Kilt.

A lot of men are a threat to children no matter what they choose to wear, unfortunately they don't come with a handy label saying whether they are or not.

Drag is adult entertainment, it is an extreme mocking parody of women it is not suitable for children at all. What 'diversity' is drag promoting exactly? How to mock and denigrate women perchance?

A recent drag act has been permanently banned from the National Theatre for a comment they made regarding teaching children to 'open their legs'. No group is above scrutiny or criticism.

"A lot of men are a threat to children no matter what they choose to wear, unfortunately they don't come with a handy label saying whether they are or not."

So curious that you're advocating keeping a group of mostly gay men away from children.

But then again, gay men have always been falsely stereotyped as predators throughout history so I'm not at all surprised - hence why "groomer" has caught on big time in transphobic and homophobic circles.

RoseslnTheHospital · 25/07/2022 21:07

Tilting at fucking massive windmills now. Windmills in fields full of straw men.

MaudeYoung · 25/07/2022 21:07

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 21:03

"I don't think that anyone is attempting to ban so-called 'drag'. What is happening is a demand that it be kept well away from children."

Yes and some children will enjoy drag queen story time and their parents certainly enjoy taking them - or else they would stop taking them. Keep up.

Somehow, I think those opposed to children being exposed to such sexualised behaviour, that is those of us who place child safeguarding at the heart of what we do here, will win the day. We have managed before without so-called "Drag Queen Story Time", we will manage to get by without it and children will be better protected from being exposed to such behaviours at such an early age.

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 21:08

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2022 21:02

Hearach15 · Today 20:44

“RoseslnTheHospital · Today 19:32
The idea of "market forces" applying to decisions made by library managers is particularly incorrect.”

How long do you think they will keep booking these events if zero people turned up?

Sadly some parents think that public libraries must have children’s best interests at heart. They will take their cue from them.

Other parents might think it is progressive.

I wonder whether the libraries in question are also offering alternative story times? If they are, it would be interesting to know what the different take up for each kind is.

Market forces are driven by ad campaigns and many do harm. Lots of local councils are internally riven by Stonewall campaigns and that would include library staff.

"Sadly some parents think that public libraries must have children’s best interests at heart. They will take their cue from them."

I suspect these parents are a lot smarter than you all give them credit - if these drag queen story times were sexualised events they would not take their kids to them.

As it is it's nothing more than a bloke in a wig and makeup reading a kids a story

mrshoho · 25/07/2022 21:10

Yes and some children will enjoy drag queen story time and their parents certainly enjoy taking them - or else they would stop taking them. Keep up.

More like opportunists worming their way into child friendly free spaces. Hard up parents view the library as a safe space to bring young children. The library lures parents and many may just stumble into drag queen story time under a false sense of thinking it must be suitable for children. AWFUL.

MaudeYoung · 25/07/2022 21:11

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 21:06

"A lot of men are a threat to children no matter what they choose to wear, unfortunately they don't come with a handy label saying whether they are or not."

So curious that you're advocating keeping a group of mostly gay men away from children.

But then again, gay men have always been falsely stereotyped as predators throughout history so I'm not at all surprised - hence why "groomer" has caught on big time in transphobic and homophobic circles.

Most gay men do not get involved in so-called 'drag'.

It is the sexualised behaviour of those men who do, and want to do that for young children to watch that is rejected.

MaudeYoung · 25/07/2022 21:12

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 21:08

"Sadly some parents think that public libraries must have children’s best interests at heart. They will take their cue from them."

I suspect these parents are a lot smarter than you all give them credit - if these drag queen story times were sexualised events they would not take their kids to them.

As it is it's nothing more than a bloke in a wig and makeup reading a kids a story

"it's nothing more than a bloke in a wig and makeup reading a kids a story"

So, why can't they appear as themselves, as men without the wig and make up and sexualised costume and behaviour?

VestofAbsurdity · 25/07/2022 21:13

So curious that you're advocating keeping a group of mostly gay men away from children.

Drag Queens are mostly gay are they, so by your reckoning some of them are not therefore advocating keeping them all away from children is not specifically targeting gay men is it?

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2022 21:16

Hearch15
The umbrella term you so object to is widely understood and used by lesbians, gays, bisexuals and trans people.

T needs the umbrella to gain the widespread acceptance of LGB.

The LGB alliance was set up to separate its interests.

Never heard of a straight drag queen myself (I'm sure one or two must exist out there though). If they were straight though I have no doubt less people would object.

You may be right that Drag Queens are mostly gay, but cross dressing men and transwomen are not necessarily so at all.

You have not answered my question about who on this thread has said the existence of LGBT people is a child safety concern?

MrsJamin · 25/07/2022 21:17

I really object to how local council money has been spent on this. Why couldn't they have got an author who goes against stereotypes to tour the libraries? It's such woke virtue signalling by the Labour run council.

VestofAbsurdity · 25/07/2022 21:22

And how is Drag promoting acceptance of gay men if that is it's aim under the Diversity banner? Are the children informed that the Drag Queen is gay? Is this an essential part of the event? If not, why not if that is what it is aiming for?

What, in particular, makes Drag Queens uniquely qualified to read stories to children? If we are talking Diversity and acceptance here are disabled people, people of faith, BAME people, lacking in the qualities required to read to children in the name of Diversity and acceptance?

There are some wonderful pictures available on the internet of one of these Story Time Drag Queens showing a very unfortunate aspect of their appendage in their costume in a room full of children, but that's nothing to worry about is it it - all lovely and progressive.

Leafstamp · 25/07/2022 21:25

Fuether to my earlier question, is there an account from anyone who has already been to one of these events anywhere?

MaudeYoung · 25/07/2022 21:31

MrsJamin · 25/07/2022 21:17

I really object to how local council money has been spent on this. Why couldn't they have got an author who goes against stereotypes to tour the libraries? It's such woke virtue signalling by the Labour run council.

Exactly so. Council tax payers have a say in this and that is why it will be ended soon. It serves no educational purpose for children; there is no positive benefit to it for children. It is a waste of tax payers' money. I would much prefer for our libraries to be used to help young children make progress with their own reading and writing skills during the summer school break.

Sneakerheads · 25/07/2022 21:46

Leafstamp · 25/07/2022 21:25

Fuether to my earlier question, is there an account from anyone who has already been to one of these events anywhere?

This has popped up from the protest earlier, a GC managed to get inside and film - its been blurred to protect everyone's identity

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2022 22:18

Sneakerheads · Today 21:46
Re the video, I think that protester was brave but I wish she had not brought up autogynephilia and paedophilia there. It made it seem as though that drag queen was personally implicated which would be wrong. I don’t think this helped the protester’s aim to create awareness.

Any objections should be made to the library and council imo and maybe leaflets with more general points made to the parents. But she tried to stand up to this nasty trend💪

Penguintears · 25/07/2022 22:29

I don't understand the intentions behind this. Why is it now suddenly a fashion to get men dressed up as as a sexualised parody of a woman to read stories to young children? What possible good intention can there be behind this?

It can't be diversity as if it was there would be a trend of having ethnic minorities, women in traditionally male roles (eg female firefighter), men in traditionally female roles (eg male nurse), disabled people etc. etc. reading in libraries. You have to ask yourself why sexualised parodies of women are the people of choice to read to young children. And I can't see the answer being anything other than sinister.

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 22:32

MaudeYoung · 25/07/2022 21:12

"it's nothing more than a bloke in a wig and makeup reading a kids a story"

So, why can't they appear as themselves, as men without the wig and make up and sexualised costume and behaviour?

Because dressing up is fun and many people like to see them all glammed up.

Even if you don't enjoy something doesn't mean others don't (I also don't think much of drag).

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 22:34

MaudeYoung · 25/07/2022 21:11

Most gay men do not get involved in so-called 'drag'.

It is the sexualised behaviour of those men who do, and want to do that for young children to watch that is rejected.

Drag isn't necessarily sexual. As I've said, I've seen a drag queen call out bingo numbers. Nothing sexual about that. You people need to get out more.

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 22:37

ScrollingLeaves · 25/07/2022 21:16

Hearch15
The umbrella term you so object to is widely understood and used by lesbians, gays, bisexuals and trans people.

T needs the umbrella to gain the widespread acceptance of LGB.

The LGB alliance was set up to separate its interests.

Never heard of a straight drag queen myself (I'm sure one or two must exist out there though). If they were straight though I have no doubt less people would object.

You may be right that Drag Queens are mostly gay, but cross dressing men and transwomen are not necessarily so at all.

You have not answered my question about who on this thread has said the existence of LGBT people is a child safety concern?

"You have not answered my question about who on this thread has said the existence of LGBT people is a child safety concern?"

It's implicit. No one objects when straight people tells their kids fairy tales despite the fact that these tales are often romantic in nature (that is to say, implicitly sexual).

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 22:38

VestofAbsurdity · 25/07/2022 21:22

And how is Drag promoting acceptance of gay men if that is it's aim under the Diversity banner? Are the children informed that the Drag Queen is gay? Is this an essential part of the event? If not, why not if that is what it is aiming for?

What, in particular, makes Drag Queens uniquely qualified to read stories to children? If we are talking Diversity and acceptance here are disabled people, people of faith, BAME people, lacking in the qualities required to read to children in the name of Diversity and acceptance?

There are some wonderful pictures available on the internet of one of these Story Time Drag Queens showing a very unfortunate aspect of their appendage in their costume in a room full of children, but that's nothing to worry about is it it - all lovely and progressive.

"What, in particular, makes Drag Queens uniquely qualified to read stories to children?"

Not sure if you've met any kids recently but they really like dressing up and that is the main thing that a drag queen does.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 25/07/2022 22:40

Drag isn't necessarily sexual. As I've said, I've seen a drag queen call out bingo numbers. Nothing sexual about that. You people need to get out more.

  • It doesn't matter how much you repeat the same thing, it doesn't make it true.
  • I should think your claims have largely not been acknowledged because people are embarrassed for you that your idea of a grand day out is a bingo session while you have the temerity to advise others to 'get out more' etc.
RoseslnTheHospital · 25/07/2022 22:41

Stop pretending that you are incapable of telling the difference between a drag artist calling bingo, and their drag act.

Hearach15 · 25/07/2022 22:43

Penguintears · 25/07/2022 22:29

I don't understand the intentions behind this. Why is it now suddenly a fashion to get men dressed up as as a sexualised parody of a woman to read stories to young children? What possible good intention can there be behind this?

It can't be diversity as if it was there would be a trend of having ethnic minorities, women in traditionally male roles (eg female firefighter), men in traditionally female roles (eg male nurse), disabled people etc. etc. reading in libraries. You have to ask yourself why sexualised parodies of women are the people of choice to read to young children. And I can't see the answer being anything other than sinister.

"Why is it now suddenly a fashion to get men dressed up as as a sexualised parody of a woman to read stories to young children? What possible good intention can there be behind this?"

Drag Queens have been around far longer than you have been alive - this isn't something that has "suddenly" happened.

Drag Queens exist because some people like to get all dressed up and throw some makeup on. It's FUN. Your version of fun is no doubt different to what someone else considers fun.

VestofAbsurdity · 25/07/2022 22:44

Not sure if you've met any kids recently but they really like dressing up and that is the main thing that a drag queen does.

Drag Queens dress as an extreme mocking parody of women hardly the same as children dressing up as super heroes, princesses or pirates is it?