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Drag Queen Story Time

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LizzyStrata · 13/06/2022 10:33

First time posting here, so not sure of the etiquette. My apologies if this is the wrong place to raise these concerns.

Reading Borough Council is planning to hold Drag Queen Story Hour events in our libraries during the summer holidays. I’ve written to my MP, my councillors, and the Head of the Library Service to raise concerns. I think drag is entirely inappropriate for children, as it is a form of adult entertainment, highly sexualised and misogynistic, that blurs boundaries and undermines safeguarding.

The response Ive had is simply that they have received very few complaints so no reason to cancel.

Has anyone had any experience of tackling their local library over this issue? Grateful for any tips.

Also, if you live in Berkshire ,would you be willing to write and share your concerns?

thanks!

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ChocolateLabsRule · 16/08/2022 14:58

I’m on the Wokingham fb pages. It’s a bit depressing to see how many parents think DQSH is a delightful idea for their kids. I wouldn’t bother sticking your head above the parapet for this tbh, it will just be all “be kind” bollocks. Pru Bray is the councilor, and she is matey with Helen Belcher, hence her stance.

Boadicea2 · 16/08/2022 15:50

ChocolateLabsRule · 16/08/2022 14:58

I’m on the Wokingham fb pages. It’s a bit depressing to see how many parents think DQSH is a delightful idea for their kids. I wouldn’t bother sticking your head above the parapet for this tbh, it will just be all “be kind” bollocks. Pru Bray is the councilor, and she is matey with Helen Belcher, hence her stance.

I didn't know that about Pru Bray. She's not councillor for my ward but it explains why the response is as it is.

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 16/08/2022 16:21

I wouldn’t bother making a comment on the Wokingham pages, the new council has, as already mentioned, a few connections with more vocal TRAs and the tone is very much there is no issue, no conflict and no concerns. Such a waste of funds when their Children and Family service is woefully understaffed. And yes, I appreciate the library service isn’t the same dept but they do historically do a lot for young families and teens with Bookstart, rhyme time, games clubs etc. How this will narrow the gap in Wokingham, I really don’t know.

it’s just panto and like Shakespear, and only bigots question it.

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 16/08/2022 16:22

Shakespeare not Shakespear…it removed the final ‘e’

ChocolateLabsRule · 16/08/2022 16:46

The posts from the council are, in their words, being very carefully watched, so any dissent will probably be removed anyway.
Theres a lib dem activist who is all over anyone who isn’t enthusiastic about it.
And they also mention that the police have been contacted and are in direct communication, just in case we need our thinking checked 😀
Wokingham has quite an issue with crimes and antisocial behaviour not being investigated due to lack of police resources, so I’m curious as to why the police have so much time to invest in this. The local co op has a terrible time with theft, from the same people time and again, and the police don’t even turn up now, even when there’s been an assault on staff.

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 16/08/2022 17:11

Wow, so free pass for thieves but iron fist for those who question the thinking behind paying for this storyteller/ adult entertainment.

TheBiologyStupid · 16/08/2022 17:20

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 16/08/2022 16:22

Shakespeare not Shakespear…it removed the final ‘e’

Never mind, he didn't spell it consistently himself...!

Boadicea2 · 16/08/2022 17:37

Some dissenting messages from a male name.

ScreamingMeMe · 16/08/2022 17:45

ScreamingMeMe · 16/08/2022 14:47

Ah Wokingham Council. Their Lib Dem councillor has been downplaying the incident with the PCSO and the sticker,and slagging off 'terfs' on twitter in the past couple of days.

Here. (Nb I'm not saying this incident happened in Wokingham: the woman affected hasn't said where she is.)

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Gobbolinothekitchencat · 16/08/2022 23:28

Wokingham are coming down very hard on any views which don’t support the story session. Will post the other images to complete what they posted.

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Gobbolinothekitchencat · 16/08/2022 23:37

They have stated that they promote other events such as mental health, black history month, women’s history month amongst others. I did a quick search, so I may be wrong, a talk during black history month which is excellent, mental health events, women in art sessions (3) and a table display of children’s books on powerful and notable women plus some posters on women’s history.

Stripped down, the story time is an author being paid to promote their book. One assumes the author will hope to sell books off the back of the session at a later date. This is unusual. I am aware of people wanting to use the library to provide taster sessions of child friendly activities to promote their business, they haven’t been paid to do this. They know they are getting free advertising. Perhaps there are different rules for wearing sequins? But don’t question Wokingham as they have taken advice.

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CoffeeWithNiles · 17/08/2022 08:10

Bolton Library have restricted comments on their Facebook page for the event today and seem to have deleted most negative comments on previous posts. This is their latest posting:

🌈📚 Drag Queen Story Hour 📚🌈

📢 All events transferred to 17th August at Bolton Albert Halls.

We had a surge of people registering to attend the Drag Queen Story Hour and as we are keen for as many people to attend as possible, we transferred all previously advertised dates and locations to one event at Bolton Albert Halls on the 17th August. This event is now at capacity and we are no longer taking bookings.

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 17/08/2022 11:00

Hadn’t appreciated there were so many drag queens in the Bolton area. I really feel like I am living in another world, would be amazed no if there could be the same wave of protection for a self-published author from another misunderstood group.

I think I am a good person but am doubting myself over this. Why spend limited funds on a writer reading their own book? Why repeatedly state they represent a marginalised group when they are clearly performing a role? If I performed as a burlesque dancer at a library venue and people objected, they are objecting to my role, not me as a person. And rightly so, even if I was reading ‘Super Pea’, being dressed in a basque wouldn’t be right…..sorry am not making a great explanation. I am sure people would come along but probably not for the usual reasons for attending a children’s story time.

I get glitter and sequins are fun but children need fairies, dragons, superheroes, adventurers and wizards not drag queens. They need to be exposed to a range of well written stories from around the world, I am sure the story read at these events has a good message but it is how it is being pitched.

I guess I am being ‘gas lighted’ or should that be ‘gas lit’?

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 17/08/2022 18:46

Get the impression this thread isn’t as active as it was, so not expecting a response, I just really need to offload. Am fairly local to an upcoming event, as evidenced from screenshots above, and locally any discussion on social media is being closed down, ridiculed, accused of bigotry and I can’t publicly speak out because of my employment. People just seem to assume it is transphobia or homophobia and right wing political views which are questioning the story time. All this drama over story time….. I am uncomfortable because of the name which, I am sorry, isn’t positive, it’s insulting although I understand the individual self identifies as having ADHD and autism and perhaps they do. I, personally, having met anyone with these diagnoses who are quite as flippant but that is probably because I just haven’t met someone like that. I have met a lot of unhappy and confused young people and children with those diagnoses.

Am unhappy with public funds paying an author to promote a book and one assumes, generate future sales. My experience is that authors promote for free, although assume once more successful they charge. Also, why is the whole focus on the individual not the book? Usually it is the other way around. The book is almost irrelevant.

Then there is the costume, nobody appears to see it as a slight red flag. Even if this was a regular tight vest and tight plain trousers, nobody seems to question the wisdom of it in front of small children. Would they think the outfit was okay for a job interview, perhaps with less sequins? If it’s about the message of the story, then we don’t need to see your p*nis.

And since when are drag queens a minority? It’s being presented as an event to broaden inclusion but who is it actually helping? Children with gay family members? Children questioning their sexuality? Children questioning their gender? The drag queen parents shunned at the school gates?

My head feels like it is going to explode as this has just mushroomed into something bigger than it ought to be. All it really took was someone, from each library service, at the start to tell them, we welcome your idea about inclusive stories, , we don’t normally pay but … and perhaps could you wear something less form-hugging as it is a family event, oh and we have checked your social media and are you really sure you understand this will be an audience of children? Nope, now we have anger, hatred, police forces being briefed and protesters ending up looking like they are scaring children.

Just needed to off-load.

Birdsweepsin · 17/08/2022 20:17

Just attending is enough to show your support for Diversity and Inclusion, apparently...

twitter.com/rachelbf3/status/1559908744896696320?s=20&t=tlNq8Wpvw4uYAs5_VEui2A

NitroNine · 17/08/2022 20:39

There’s been quite a lot of discussion in this thread about what “diversity storytime” could/should look like if that interests you at all @Gobbolinothekitchencat ?

Have you seen the extracts of the books?

Ramblingnamechanger · 17/08/2022 20:41

How is the Bolton one going today?

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 17/08/2022 21:03

@NitroNine thanks, yes I have had a read of that thread, just had a bit of a wobble today as I believe myself to be a reasonable, kind person but Local FB has tipped me over today and was feeling very isolated. Some really great ideas on that thread, a pity that suspect not enough sequins and glitter for local library.

Have had a read of the book extracts, was trying to be charitable but doesn’t grab my attention, I like the illustrations though. Expensive for two books.

CoffeeWithNiles · 17/08/2022 21:47

Ramblingnamechanger · 17/08/2022 20:41

How is the Bolton one going today?

The Bolton News is reporting a few arrests. Lots of comments of support for ADHD on news article on Facebook.

ArabellaScott · 17/08/2022 23:04

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 17/08/2022 21:03

@NitroNine thanks, yes I have had a read of that thread, just had a bit of a wobble today as I believe myself to be a reasonable, kind person but Local FB has tipped me over today and was feeling very isolated. Some really great ideas on that thread, a pity that suspect not enough sequins and glitter for local library.

Have had a read of the book extracts, was trying to be charitable but doesn’t grab my attention, I like the illustrations though. Expensive for two books.

Raising safeguarding concerns for children and sticking up for women's rights is reasonable and kind.

It's the new orthodoxy that is the upside-down.

NitroNine · 18/08/2022 00:12

Oh you poor thing @Gobbolinothekitchencat - as Arabella said, you’re neither unreasonable nor unkind for having the thoughts/concerns/ideas/beliefs that you’ve expressed here.

Indeed you’re clearly very kind because that’s a generous review of the available extracts. Using an obsolete spelling isn’t appropriate with this [reading] age group & tbh I think the author is on shaky ground with the (presumably intended to convey bleating & [re-]emphasise the number of goats in the family) repeated & consistent misspelling of the word three.

Remember to look after yourself when it’s all feeling too much: things can easily start feeling overwhelming.

MargaritaPie · 18/08/2022 01:33

From the above link:

Simon Clark, from Moses Gate said: "What is wrong with a drag queen in a fairy tale dress reading a book to children. I have a nine-year-old niece and she would absolutely love that.

“This protest today is just ridiculous, this is no different to what is happening in the library to what happens on stage in pantomines.

“I am very proud Bolton went ahead with the event. The fact that it sold out shows that Bolton does not care what bigots think and show that we are not putting up with your hatred.

“It was only two weeks ago we had Bolton pride here and we did not
see this happening, there were drag queens on stage then and families were there.

“The protest is just pointless.”

One passer-by said: “Everyone has a different opinion, but why are they outside protesting like this?

“They should leave it alone, it’s not very nice to be shouting at parents with children like that.”

Another couple said: “It’s quite upsetting to see this sort of behaviour in Bolton.

Helleofabore · 18/08/2022 08:17

And your point is pie? That some people support adult entertainers reading books to children?

Yes, we know.

That the Bolton News seems to write with a bias?

Yes, we can see.

That physical protests where people are yelling where children are likely to be scared should be reconsidered and run differently, silently for a start to keep children from being upset.

Yes, I am surprised you are unaware of the fact that we know this. Being Mumsnet and many posters having plenty of direct experience with children.

And I am surprised you haven’t picked up that there are few, if any, of us joining those protests at the libraries. Instead we are taking other actions that are not scaring children.

But I cannot understand the intention of your post. So, I am just guessing.

hardfi · 18/08/2022 10:41

This mum with her child got manhandled out of Blackpool Library by black-clad security thugs whilst trying to peacefully protest yesterday.

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