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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Drag Queen Story Time

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LizzyStrata · 13/06/2022 10:33

First time posting here, so not sure of the etiquette. My apologies if this is the wrong place to raise these concerns.

Reading Borough Council is planning to hold Drag Queen Story Hour events in our libraries during the summer holidays. I’ve written to my MP, my councillors, and the Head of the Library Service to raise concerns. I think drag is entirely inappropriate for children, as it is a form of adult entertainment, highly sexualised and misogynistic, that blurs boundaries and undermines safeguarding.

The response Ive had is simply that they have received very few complaints so no reason to cancel.

Has anyone had any experience of tackling their local library over this issue? Grateful for any tips.

Also, if you live in Berkshire ,would you be willing to write and share your concerns?

thanks!

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845672AKD · 26/07/2022 20:26

Stella Creasy couldn't go lower in my estimation

Hearach15 · 26/07/2022 20:29

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/07/2022 18:44

It very much is. If drags queens were straight we would not be having this discussion Confused

Speaking as a lesbian, my objection to drag queens are nothing to do with their sexuality. I'm objecting to men performing to children by reading stories wearing often inappropriate garb and with a dodgy online presence / history that renders them unsuitable role models.

"inappropriate garb"

And here was I thinking that all GCs subscribed to the JK Rowling mantra of "dress however you please". Clearly it only applies if you conform to gender norms.

Hearach15 · 26/07/2022 20:32

mrshoho · 26/07/2022 18:41

It very much is. If drags queens were straight we would not be having this discussion and idiots would not be charging into these events shouting "PEADOPHILES" at them.

Absolute bollocks. MALES prancing about in drag blurring the boundaries involving young children are the problem whether gay or straight.

At the end of the day a man in drag is simply someone in a dress, wig and makeup.

You wouldn't have an issue with an individual doing this if they were a woman and that's why I find this debate so bizarre. People really need to leave the mindset of 1950s behind.

KittenKong · 26/07/2022 20:39

And of course drag names like Anna Bortion are just hunky dory eh?

Stop with the wide eyed indignation.

OldCrone · 26/07/2022 20:40

Hearach15 · 26/07/2022 20:29

"inappropriate garb"

And here was I thinking that all GCs subscribed to the JK Rowling mantra of "dress however you please". Clearly it only applies if you conform to gender norms.

Is this appropriate in your opinion?

www.theblaze.com/news/photo-shows-drag-queen-story-hour-performer-in-miniskirt-exposing-crotch-as-children-sit-close-by

ScrollingLeaves · 26/07/2022 20:41

And here was I thinking that all GCs subscribed to the JK Rowling mantra of "dress however you please". Clearly it only applies if you conform to gender norms.

What an irrelevant thing to say.

Please answer these questions:

Q 1. In front of whom are men dressing up as grotesque parodies of women as sex objects?

Q. 2. Do you think JKR was talking about anyone other than consenting adults?

845672AKD · 26/07/2022 20:47

Would anyone know if this is due to take place in the London Borough of Sutton? I'll be writing to libraries in this area.

TullyApplebottom · 26/07/2022 20:51

Hearach15 · 26/07/2022 20:32

At the end of the day a man in drag is simply someone in a dress, wig and makeup.

You wouldn't have an issue with an individual doing this if they were a woman and that's why I find this debate so bizarre. People really need to leave the mindset of 1950s behind.

You’re so desperate to make out drag is progressive, it makes me laugh. The people stuck in the 1950s are the ones going « WOO WOO MEN IN DRESSES AND MAKE UP!! »
noone with half a brain finds it at all remarkable

ScrollingLeaves · 26/07/2022 20:52

Hierarch15
If the trans allies’ idea is that transwomen not only have the right to women’s prison spaces, refuges, sports, changing rooms, lavatories, and short lists, but also the right for a sub set of them to dress up as a male fetishist fantasy of a woman as a sex object - in front of very young children - on purpose to ‘queer’ their understanding of the world, then that is doing the cause of transwomen no favours.

ScreamingMeMe · 26/07/2022 20:53

Stella Creasy took her wriggly baby to one:

"What a lovely afternoon with Drag Story Hour UK today with the wonderful Greta who put so much energy into story telling and entertaining local children - Proud too that Walthamstow a community that welcomes and celebrates pride with the @morrisgallery in this lovely way!" 🌈🌈

t.co/eDsfBnyChX

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ScreamingMeMe · 26/07/2022 20:59

Oh, bugger sorry about duplicate photo

ScreamingMeMe · 26/07/2022 20:59

One of the better ones I've seen, actually.

KittenKong · 26/07/2022 20:59

And the kiddo learned what exactly?

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 26/07/2022 21:13

Alexaplaykatebush · 26/07/2022 19:44

All that libraries should be doing at the moment is promoting the summer reading scheme and offering events related to the theme for that.
My local library is offering lots of different activities over the summer, surely the whole point of a library is to get people to read books, keep people returning to the service and improve literacy within the community.
If this puts even one person off from using the public library which it obviously is doing, it is not inclusive.

Exactly, the reading schemes always have diverse characters from different ethnic groups and disabilities to reflect different children. I would prefer to see adults representing the diverse ethic communities in Reading and may be representative from the Autistic Pride group who run a festival locally for example. This would be a better use of limited funds.

I admire the woman’s strength to get out and voice her objections. Would I have used the same language? No. But I object as I would prefer inclusivity to actually include people who parents/carers can see representing their child as an adult. Sure, they might grow up and do drag but I would argue that seeing an adult in a wheelchair or an adult who is autistic would do more. Drag to me, is in same league as burlesque, entertainment for adults. An art form for some but it isn’t aimed at children and will confuse many.

KittenKong · 26/07/2022 21:20

When I was little I still remember people reading to us - an old soldier from WW2, an elderly lady who was a Burn fanatic and recited poems, an lady from Nigeria who told us traditional stories, and a policeman who yelled at us (I know which of you pressed the crossing button without crossing the road! I have seen you! If I see you again you will be in big trouble!).

These were when I was primary 2 (about 4). Amazing - apart from PC Grumpy Pants (as we named him).

Cailleach1 · 26/07/2022 21:41

Hearach15 · 26/07/2022 20:32

At the end of the day a man in drag is simply someone in a dress, wig and makeup.

You wouldn't have an issue with an individual doing this if they were a woman and that's why I find this debate so bizarre. People really need to leave the mindset of 1950s behind.

Sometimes the fake boobs, too.

Do you think the black and white minstrels should be accepted back then? Just a wig and make up in your eyes. I'm surprised you don't see ridicule. Do you think it is all just harmless fun to perform this in front of children?

I don't think either are meant to be flattering to the 'others' they are dressing up as. Quite the opposite.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 26/07/2022 21:55

Stella really is a deeply tedious handmaiden 🙄

ValancyRedfern · 26/07/2022 22:18

What I like about Stella Creasy's pictures is that her baby appears to be the only one there.

KittenKong · 26/07/2022 22:30

So she does have a clue about safeguarding them (assuming there was more than one kid there).

TauCeti · 26/07/2022 22:33

Stella Creasy tries so, so hard. Very 'how do you do, fellow kids'.

I have no wish for my kids to be read to by what is essentially Bernard Manning after a crash course in Gender Trouble.

Lickerz · 26/07/2022 23:10

Googled the drag queen in question and this is one of the first images that came up. This can't be what I think it is can it??

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nameychangeychangeynamey · 26/07/2022 23:10

VestofAbsurdity · 26/07/2022 00:47

Local residents where these are held need to ask their Councils/Councillors how much money is spent on this and where the money comes from. Taxpayers have every right to question what their taxes are being used for and to hear the justification for it.

This. Also ask the libraries with a Freedom of Information Request

TullyApplebottom · 26/07/2022 23:14

I do think we should all just withdraw attention from creasy until she’s forced to paint her arse blue and stick it in Lewis’s window to get us to look at her.

TullyApplebottom · 26/07/2022 23:14

That would hardly be less dignified than her current carry on

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/07/2022 23:29

Hearach15 · 26/07/2022 20:29

"inappropriate garb"

And here was I thinking that all GCs subscribed to the JK Rowling mantra of "dress however you please". Clearly it only applies if you conform to gender norms.

We're talking about children. To someone with no interest in children's wellbeing / safety I suppose it's a bit of a shock to realise that adults are meant to adapt their language, behaviour and on occasions (mainly for the extremist kink / porn addicts) even their dress when being introduced to children (maybe google age appropriate for a bit of help).

But Mumsnet's a useful place to learn this stuff as the vast majority of posters are women with a good appreciation of the needs of children