Nursing conference today calling for 'birthing people to be used '

[Carriemac]

A nurse on Twitter winding why 'women ' was used for maternity care not 'birthing person' . I'd live to reply but I'd be vilified professionally

God forbid the word "woman" should be used in the context of female biology! Don't you know that that is exclusionary of all those male people who identify as women! How dare you say that women have female bodies!

I could understand it more in relation to something like cervical screening, although I still don't like language such as "people with cervixes".

But if you are able to put your belief that you are not a woman to one side for the purposes of growing a baby in your uterus, giving birth to it and potentially breastfeeding, the idea that being referred to as a woman is what is going to unacceptably trigger your dysphoria is utterly ridiculous. Cope.

All the online health information sources could have a separate starting question about identity which would lead readers to articles of the sex they actually have and to any information which differs for transgender people. I'm certain it could be done as a choice in a menu. That would leave sex-based language in general use but also cater for inclusiveness.

Frontal delivery - rather ambiguous I agree!

We are surely going to end up with children growing up believing that men can be pregnant & deliver a baby!

Which is offensive in more than one way.

I have had multiple miscarriages. And I hated that I didn’t ‘birth’ those children. If I worked fir that company, I would be speaking to HR about my experiences and how traumatic it was not to have given birth as planned. How dare they rub salt in the wound and be so crass,y offensive as to say ‘birthing parent’ in a situation like that.

Normally, I plan my objections thoughtfully and carefully, but I am so incensed about this subject, I would be marching straight in there.

I agree nepeta, we need separate resources to avoid confusion. We are talking about two distinct groups with distinct needs and a different language. What the majority of us mean when we say mother or woman or breast is completely different from what gender identity believers mean when they use those words. The words have different meanings for each group. The language of gender identity and the language of sex cannot be effectively combined and communicate clearly you both groups it becomes a mess.

I'd also be interested in exactly how many female people we are talking about, in each unit per year, whose needs are met by this.

Not female people who would like to virtue signal by supporting it; those who actually need it themselves.

I suspect we're talking about a tiny, tiny proportion of patients. Their individual special need can be accommodated on a case by case basis and it is not necessary to totally and unilaterally re design all language and policy when this is not something needed and raised by the massive, massive majority who were and are perfectly happy with language as it was.

Which means that this is not needs driven. This ideology driven. And it's largely coming from a political desire to remove 'sex' as a concept, to separate female from biological function so that male people can own it, and to disadvantage, disempower and subordinate female humans to a male-centric world view.

No thank you. Other people's births are not an arena for activists to enjoy splashing about in.

My answer every time is the NHS is now referring to people with a uteruses/cervix etc but still fucking men when it comes to prostate cancer. And the chest feeding, men and woman have breasts! Both can get breast cancer, so why isn’t it still breast feeding?

As soon as I see that someone has their pronouns defined in their social media bio (or worse as part of their name) I know they're not going to be nice people and will not have anything of value to say.

Exactly Artichokeleaves.

This is all being driven by zealous female “allies”.

I have never heard from nor met any woman who denies her sex in the sphere birth and breastfeeding.

They are the tiniest minority, and they should be taken into account and shown the same respect and compassion due to all but the ideologues put them on a pedestal and seek power through them.

It is unprecedented that language should be changed across the board on behalf of a minority so small as to be negligible to the detriment of the majority of users of a service, including those from other minorities. There is no rational evidence of need, there is no data to support the changes.

It is simply a power play by those with ambition to become the new elite to suit their own ends.

Well I’m sat here with a load of doctors and nurses on my break and have just read them that. We are outraged it’s ridiculous.

yes.

can't even comment on this, it makes me so fucking angry.

'birthing person'. Fuck that. FUCK that.

A frontal delivery would be a C-section, surely?

This persons tone is interesting. When I see language like this I interpret it as this:

"I'd be really interested in policing your language and any subtle signs of disagreement even if you say nothing will be noted down as transphobia."

No, I believe the technical term for that is ‘through the sunroof’