Save Women’s Sports Act Ohio

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Have people on here looked at the Bill for regulating single sex sports that was passed a couple of days ago?

The proposal is that when a child’s sex is disputed, a doctor should certify their sex based on a physical examination of their ‘internal and external anatomy’, endogenous testosterone levels and genetic make-up’.

I can’t see that this is the answer. Young people shouldn’t have to undergo an assault on their person to participate in sport.

Wouldn’t a DNA swab be sufficient in almost every single case?

Or just a look at the kid’s birth certificate?

Saw it on Twitter this morning, outrageous! Didn’t have time to delve very deeply but was it only about girls whose sex was in dispute?

It’s any kid.

But it seems completely unnecessary, doesn’t it? The main issue isn’t even people lying about their child’s sex. When a child ‘transitions’ everyone normally knows what sex they actually are and it’s recorded on their birth certificate anyway, isn’t it? So surely all the school needs to do is reference that documentation?

Surely the simple answer is to not lie about which category you are entitled to enter and that's it, job done, no physical examinations, fair sport.

Surely the way it would work is that if anyone was so stupid or such a misogynistic hateful cheat that they would enter a boy into a girl's race, then the school would say "sorry - you son, erm daughter, needs to go through a doctor's check to check he isn;t a boy". At which point the parent and or kid can say "it's ok, we 've decided not to cheat" or they can say "yes - strip the kid to his birthday suit and then ban him for the girl's race".

No-one will need their genitals checked.

GCRich

Although that’s true, the act of performing an internal examination on a child for the purposes of establishing their sex is particularly serious and would need (in my view) extraordinary justification when you can be 99% certain that their birth certificate shows their sex. Ask for that, and if the request is refused they don’t play.

I was shocked reading this about Ohio -
twitter.com/polevaultpower/status/1533263117911613440

Pressed post too soon….

According to this female athlete, anyone can “query” the legitimacy of the declared sex of any student participating in school sport. The investigation method, according to this thread, details initial external genital examination, then internal examination. Only then is a blood test/dna test required (?)…..

It just seems so unbelievable - but given the current status of gender ideology, I despair….

LunaLights · Today 15:27

Pressed post too soon….

According to this female athlete, anyone can “query” the legitimacy of the declared sex of any student participating in school sport. The investigation method, according to this thread, details initial external genital examination, then internal examination. Only then is a blood test/dna test required (?)…..

It just seems so unbelievable - but given the current status of gender ideology, I despair….

I strongly suspect that the truth is going to be considerably less brutal and stupid that the twitter link suggests... but then again I was probably very naive with my posts a few links up.

I suppose my four key points are -

(1) I support Ohio's intention
(2) I do not know the truth of their detail, but it could be very bad
(3) Then again, if girls sport is for boys and girls then is there really much of a problem if girls simply opt out?
(4) The problem could be solved by boys and parents showing some compassion and staying the fuck away from girl's sports.

A new way of harassing girls... make an accusation they are in fact a transgirl and make them go through a humiliating procedure to enable them to compete in their own category.

Definitely not the way when there's easy DNA testing available, or indeed birth certificates.

I don't even know what to say, except: that's what happens as a direct consequence of endorsing transphobia, because the people who propagate the trans panic also want police/control all women's bodies. This law is going to disproportionately affect young cis women, preferentially non-white children and women, just as predicted.

‘I don't even know what to say, except: that's what happens as a direct consequence of endorsing transphobia, because the people who propagate the trans panic also want police/control all women's bodies.’

It’s a direct consequence of male incursions into protected opposite sex sports categories.

I oppose it, but it’s nothing to do with transphobia.

except: that's what happens as a direct consequence of endorsing transphobia

You don't think it could be a direct consequence of boys cheating by entering girls sports?

That twitter thread is utter, scaremongering nonsense - a cheek swab and you're done - why would they waste time with anything else?

They're going to do a cheek swab. If boys and their parents didn't lie about their sex, they wouldn't even have to do that.

No, it's absolutely not to do with "endorsing transphobia". It's a direct result of no one bothering to protect girls sports in the first place, resulting in a bad outcome for everyone.

Agree, @RoseslnTheHospital .

Until very recently, it was commonplace to have readily available ID with sex and date of birth on.

If anyone on the TRA side is complaining about how hard it is to prove their sex now, it's mostly their own fault, because they campaigned to abolish that readily-available ID.

Next up we'll have people campaigning to take the date of birth of and then complaining they can't get served anywhere cos no-one believes how old they are.

'Transphobic' is so overused that it is now meaningless. This is sad as we now have no real way of describing truly atrocious hate episodes.

The problem in the US is that the right wants to control and subjugate women while the left wants to erase women altogether. Most of the states who have carried out these new policies have conservative governments, and their desire to keep women and girls as a sex category is based on opposite reasons to our desire for the same: They need that category to control women, we need that category to fight against that control.

Gender critical women are currently politically homeless in the US as their choices are to be kept down or to be erased.

Can be changed:
www.acluohio.org/en/news/trans-folks-born-ohio-heres-how-finally-correct-gender-marker-your-ohio-birth-certificate

Here is a link to the actual proposed law: -

legiscan.com/OH/text/HB151/id/2592242

This is the relevant part: -

Sec. 3313.5318. (A) Each school that participates in athletic competitions or events administered by an organization that regulates interscholastic athletic conferences or events shall designate interscholastic athletic teams based on the sex of the participants as follows:

(1) Separate teams for participants of the female sex within female sports divisions;
(2) Separate teams for participants of the male sex within male sports divisions;
(3) If applicable, co-ed teams for participants of the female and male sexes within co-ed sports divisions.

(B) No school, interscholastic conference, or organization that regulates interscholastic athletics shall permit individuals of the male sex to participate on athletic teams or in athletic competitions designated only for participants of the
female sex.

(C) If a participant's sex is disputed, the participant shall establish the participant's sex by presenting a signed physician's statement indicating the participant's sex based upon only the following:

(1) The participant's internal and external reproductive anatomy;
(2) The participant's normal endogenously produced levels of testosterone;
(3) An analysis of the participant's genetic makeup.

My reading of the above is that they are looking for a statement from a family doctor (or similar) who has knowledge of the participant's actual sex - and even for those participants that are trans I would assume that their doctor was aware of what their actual sex was without having to undertake an exam.

The law may be poorly worded but I really don't see what the problem is with it.

My reading of the above is that they are looking for a statement from a family doctor (or similar) who has knowledge of the participant's actual sex - and even for those participants that are trans I would assume that their doctor was aware of what their actual sex was without having to undertake an exam.

The law may be poorly worded but I really don't see what the problem is with it.

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Yeah, I mean, that's all a plain nonsense, rule 1 of lying is to make it convincing, all that sub-Gilead rubbish (the idea that as hoc tests would be carried out pitchside before a match could start) isn't in any way plausible.