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Who would be the best replacement for Johnson from a GC perspective?

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tabbycatstripy · 06/06/2022 10:42

I know most GCs don’t vote Tory (I never have and I only consider it because I can’t support Labour clowns at the moment).

But if Johnson goes (probably he will survive it but it’s possible) who would be the best replacement out of people considered likely to run purely from a GC point of view?

Truss?
Zahawi?
Javid?

Hunt is an unknown for me.
Mordaunt gives me the heeby-jeebies.
Tugendhat - no idea.

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ResisterRex · 06/06/2022 10:58

Purely from a GC point of view, I'd rank the following in order of actual record:

Truss - resisted calls for self-ID. I think history will note this at some point in the future. Policy not changed is important.

Javid - he's spoken against the damaging nature of the TRA lack of discourse and raised the damage done to children - been bold in words. We await the deeds. Truss has actually done something in resisting self-ID.

Braverman - again bold the other weekend in The Times. But we await the deeds.

Zahawi - got himself into saying "trans child" then sort of rowed back. Appears to be going the right way but seems to need more of a handhold. Wrote this at the weekend. It's fine but a bit middle of the road, I worry the committed stonewalled DfE staff are too much in his ear and he's not had enough of the full picture:

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10885197/The-far-left-mob-yell-Tory-scum-free-speech-win-writes-NADHIM-ZAHAWI.html

Hunt is an unknown - agree
Mordaunt - absolutely do not trust her with this at all
Tugendhat - no idea - agree.

tabbycatstripy · 06/06/2022 11:00

Yeah, that looks about right. Women do have vaginas, Nick.

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MagnoliaTaint · 06/06/2022 11:00

Helen Joyce.

DaisiesandButtercups · 06/06/2022 11:03

My fantasy leader for the Tories would be Kemi Badenoch. A clear, confident speaker, a critical thinker and not a people pleaser. I think she would be a strong leader.

tabbycatstripy · 06/06/2022 11:04

Kemi B will lead the Conservatives one day but not yet, I reckon.

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DaisiesandButtercups · 06/06/2022 11:04

Or Helen Joyce! Yes please!

tabbycatstripy · 06/06/2022 11:05

When things get bad I still watch her saying “No” to Caroline For-the-Blokes.

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RoyalCorgi · 06/06/2022 11:10

Javid, I think. He's been really clear on the harms done to children by trans ideology. He also seems intelligent - more intelligent than Truss, who I have my doubts about, and whose main interest seems to be in self-promotion.

pitterpatterrain · 06/06/2022 11:12

DaisiesandButtercups · 06/06/2022 11:03

My fantasy leader for the Tories would be Kemi Badenoch. A clear, confident speaker, a critical thinker and not a people pleaser. I think she would be a strong leader.

Yes she’d be great

tabbycatstripy · 06/06/2022 11:41

Javid is clever and competent. Ideologically he’s not my favourite Tory but he would sort this issue out.

Anyway, my prediction is Johnson survives and moves to the right.

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ResisterRex · 06/06/2022 13:06

Labour aren't going to let "gender you're born in" go:

order-order.com/2022/06/06/watch-starmer-vast-majority-of-women-dont-have-a-penis/

From the first link, a transcript:

“…For the vast majority of women, biology is what matters and it’s very clear that they don’t have a penis. But let’s not leave out of account that there is a small minority of individuals who were born in a gender they don’t now identify with. Some go through a process, others don’t, and that is very traumatic for them. And I for one am going to respect and support them, and I think that’s, actually, when most people step back from this they think, ‘well that’s a fair assessment Keir, 99.9% of women, it’s all biology’… but let’s not pretend, or disparage, or fail to support a small group of people who actually struggle with their gender identity. And I think that we all can resolve this if we approach it in that spirit.”

As that site says: "Biology matters… until it doesn’t."

On today of all days, they stick like glue to this line. It does feel like they just don't want to be in government.

tabbycatstripy · 06/06/2022 13:14

No, Keir: all women have female biology. There is a minority of people who want to be treated socially as women (or as men) when they’re not. Largely that’s fine. Sometimes it isn’t fine.

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ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 06/06/2022 13:41

On today of all days, they stick like glue to this line. It does feel like they just don't want to be in government.

You really do have to wonder.

tabbycatstripy · 06/06/2022 13:44

So far only 90 have said publicly that they support him. So we might be looking at a leadership contest.

The best PM would probably be Zahawi but I don’t know if he would beat Starmer. Truss same. So I suppose I’d be rooting for Javid.

This is where the Labour collapse of basic reasoning has left me.

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ChristinaXYZ · 06/06/2022 15:16

Kemi Badenoch - but she has not had a cabinet post yet - why?? Is Boris trying to keep her down?

But Kemi would be brilliant. Thatcher and Cameron both came out of nowhere to lead the party so maybe Kemi Badenoch could too.

Failing that Liz Truss followed by Javid. Javid is not a good speaker though and I think could cause a hung parliament next election. If that lets Labour into power (with the Greens and the SNP and LibDems propping Labour up and demanding self-id!!) then women's rights are toast.

If Penny Mordant gets in women's rights are also probably toast though at least with the Tories she might get a backbench rebellion if she tried to bring self-id in. She would do nothing to help us though.

I would not trust any Tory who has not spoken clearly out - they don't get bullied in their party for GC views so what would stop them?

KookaburraSits · 06/06/2022 15:30

From a purely gc perspective, Truss or possibly Javid.
Never heard Tom Tugendhat spek about this but I'd be surprised if he'd fallen for the gender woo. He seems too smart/rational.

MagnoliaTaint · 06/06/2022 15:46

Kemi Badenoch would be good, but she does seem quite young (in political years) and has less of a track record than Truss or Javid.

tabbycatstripy · 06/06/2022 16:03

David Cameron was Tory leader after less time as an MP and at around the same age. I think she’s light on experience and wouldn’t run for the leadership but she would be excellent.

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ChristinaXYZ · 06/06/2022 16:13

To be fair @tabbycatstripy she is light on cabinet experience but has worn many hats on the rungs just below. She has good breadth of experience.

tabbycatstripy · 06/06/2022 16:16

I’d love it to be her but I’m not a member of the Tory party. I don’t think it will be. But stranger things have happened.

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Fenlandia · 06/06/2022 16:29

tabbycatstripy I even read the Starmer quote as talking about transmen ie that tiny group of women who struggle with their gender identity...then I remembered he only cares about transwomen

I don't vote Tory but the thought of Penny Mordaunt in charge is scary; she's of the same ilk as Nokes and the Labour wallies

ChristinaXYZ · 06/06/2022 17:04

Mordant here - speaking in very vague terms, past tense - www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-has-always-had-my-loyalty-penny-mordaunt-says-as-pm-faces-no-confidence-vote-3721212

I think this shows she is a bit too-faced and any about turn of gender issues is probably very calculated and not necessarily to be believed.

TheBeardedVulture · 06/06/2022 17:14

If Kemi wound up leading the Tories I’d likely vote for them.

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