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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Bullshit article about gender identity on RTÉ

15 replies

Roseglen84 · 04/06/2022 17:25

www.rte.ie/lifestyle/living/2021/0429/1212763-what-is-gender-identity-and-why-do-we-use-pronouns/

This is from the RTÉ news site. I can't believe the author is a chartered Psychologist, and has a masters in Counselling Psychology.

Starts of with a bang with some non-binary nonsense:

A non-binary person rejects the concept of gender and does not identify with being exclusively a woman or man. According to Researcher Ari Berkowitz, our biology is not binary and many people have traits that are not in the male or female dichotomy.

Then several times she conflates same sex attraction with gender identity:

Studies show that one in five lesbian, gay and bisexual employees reported that they experienced verbal bullying at work. An inclusive environment is mindful of gender identity issues such as gender neutral language, uniforms, titles and pronouns.

There are still some young kids calling others ’gay’ as an insult. Understanding, validating and supporting students is essential for their psychological well-being and self-esteem. The family unit can facilitate open dialogue and foster respect for all people including those with gender identities beyond male or female.

She also quotes the Williams Institute, which is the ones with the dodgy suicide statistics that we've seen quoted before on here.

Also, worryingly:
The HSE is recruiting a new Consultant Child and Adolescent Psychiatrist to lead a team to roll-out the National Gender Service.

Does this mean we are attempting to set up a gender clinic like the Tavistock in Ireland for children? FFS.

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miri1985 · 05/06/2022 04:06

Did someone even proof that article? The first link in it leads to a "page not found" www.tcd.ie/LGBTIrelandReport_KeyFindings and then you're just told to go to justice.ie for the Inclusion Strategy, no direct link to it

Would love to know what actual intersex people think of the definition shes using

VaddaABeetch · 05/06/2022 09:20

RTE regularly spouts bullshit on this topic.

It’s the new religion to bowed down to & accepted unquestionably.

ReynaDotCom · 05/06/2022 18:43

"I can't believe the author is a chartered Psychologist, and has a masters in Counselling Psychology"

Idk this kinda sounds like someone with very high expertise in the matter disagrees with your amateur understanding of this topic, maybe reconsider your viewpoint rather than just assume you're always correct

RoseslnTheHospital · 05/06/2022 18:47

Qualifications don't guarantee accurate information or bestow special status on the owner that they can never be wrong. An appeal to authority is a fallacy.

Having the ability to read information and think critically about it is a pretty useful life skill, Idk, maybe you should give that a try, @ReynaDotCom

Roseglen84 · 05/06/2022 19:09

ReynaDotCom · 05/06/2022 18:43

"I can't believe the author is a chartered Psychologist, and has a masters in Counselling Psychology"

Idk this kinda sounds like someone with very high expertise in the matter disagrees with your amateur understanding of this topic, maybe reconsider your viewpoint rather than just assume you're always correct

I have considered my viewpoint several times, and have yet to be convinced by the nonsense that is spouted about gender identity in articles like I quoted in the OP.

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ChairP0se9to5 · 05/06/2022 19:11

Holy God Miley

It's all such nonsense. Just be a feminine man or a masculine woman. Get on with it. It's fine. But there are still only two sexes.

Cloudburst3 · 05/06/2022 19:42

They're still giving out mixed messages about sex - are there 2 biological sexes or not? Is sex different from gender? Can you choose your sex, or only your gender? If you can choose your sex, what does sex even mean (when you ignore chromosomes, genitalia, uterus, etc)?
I cannot get my head around this - there appears to be no logic (however twisted). See this quote from an article by a site calling itself Healthline:
www.healthline.com/health/sex-vs-gender#gender-identity
"People often like to separate gender and sex by saying things like “gender is in the brain” and “sex is in the pants.” Although accepting someone as their correct gender is a good first step, beliefs like these can actually be harmful to trans people.
When trans people are understood to be the sex they were assigned at birth — and not the sex they truly are — it can have a significant impact on their physical, mental, and emotional health.
For example, this can make it difficult to obtain fundamental rights, such as healthcare, and even access to basic necessities, such as public bathrooms."

Thinkbiglittleone · 05/06/2022 20:24

I have been trying to understand both stances on this and be informed.

The bit I think I struggle with slightly is that babies can be with both female and male biology, and their path is chosen for them. If the biological make up is made up more of the sex that was not chosen for them, this could surely then lead to the feeling of being born into the wrong body. So shouldnt they the get the chance to correct this and be classed as that sex

Cloudburst3 · 05/06/2022 20:32

Are you talking about a mistake made in classifying an intersex baby as male or female? From what I've read that's vanishingly unlikely to happen.
What I'm concerned about is that some trans supporters say that sex is the biological body - to do with chromosomes, reproductive organs, etc, but that gender is chosen by the individual (and can change). Whereas other trans supporters appear to be saying (see the article I've linked to) that people can choose both their gender and their sex. So that if a biological male identifies as trans and calls himself a woman, he is a woman by gender and his sex is female. What then happens if his gender fluctuates or he becomes "agender" I don't know - does his sex somehow follow that change in gender?

AppleCharlottie · 05/06/2022 20:36

When trans people are understood to be the sex they were assigned at birth — and not the sex they truly are — it can have a significant impact on their physical, mental, and emotional health.

The physical health of trans people will also be significantly impacted if doctors start treating them according to their preferred gender instead of their sex as observed at birth!

ReynaDotCom · 05/06/2022 21:20

AppleCharlottie · 05/06/2022 20:36

When trans people are understood to be the sex they were assigned at birth — and not the sex they truly are — it can have a significant impact on their physical, mental, and emotional health.

The physical health of trans people will also be significantly impacted if doctors start treating them according to their preferred gender instead of their sex as observed at birth!

trans women still have prostate exams, which is what I assume this is the type of thing this is referring to.

ReynaDotCom · 05/06/2022 21:22

RoseslnTheHospital · 05/06/2022 18:47

Qualifications don't guarantee accurate information or bestow special status on the owner that they can never be wrong. An appeal to authority is a fallacy.

Having the ability to read information and think critically about it is a pretty useful life skill, Idk, maybe you should give that a try, @ReynaDotCom

I get that but also I know that experts tend to know what they're talking about. How much do the Helens know about gender, besides a bad vibe they get from talking about it?

RoseslnTheHospital · 05/06/2022 21:31

So you're saying that Helen Joyce and Helen Staniland are too ignorant about gender to be able to speak about it?

beechie12 · 05/06/2022 21:42

I can't believe 'assigned at birth' is now a common phrase

Onceinawhileuser · 05/06/2022 21:42

Where and when do you think these hundred or whatever it is and still growing genders originated, @ReynaDotCom? And how did genderfluid/agender/pangender (experiencing all genders even though people are still coming up with new ones) and all the rest of them people cope before someone came up with all the names and started explaining how important pronouns are? What's happened to the feeling like a deer one, and the one where you feel at one with the stars? Thank God there are experts out there who are in charge and understand all this.

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