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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Blocklist of transphobic people in publishing"

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valleyofadventure · 01/06/2022 16:07

This is horrendous. I think it's come off the back of some discussions about Rachel Rooney earlier this week.

twitter.com/LoobyLouDino/status/1531965355224182785?s=20&t=mWXIoRqRaymm1OBcDAG7lg

twitter.com/YoungRefuseniks/status/1531656005007859714?s=20&t=ou8VZpRH7l_OyzbSrauY4Q

Young Refuseniks
Hello everyone - we have now created a blocklist of transphobic people in the publishing industry. It will probably need to be regularly updated, but we hope that it can provide more safety to the people who need it. DM us if you'd like a copy.
5:17 PM · May 31, 2022·Twitter Web App

Young Refuseniks
The accounts on the list are people who have liked, retweeted or followed transphobic posts/accounts aimed at people in the publishing industry in the past week. If you believe that we've made a mistake somewhere, feel free to tell us.

Young Refuseniks
The people on the list range from small, unpublished authors to popular writers and people who work for publishing houses with large followings. The list is currently 7 pages long.

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RorschachPest · 07/06/2022 12:10

However, in newer Bookseller news: a press release today announcing that Juno Dawson is headlining the Primadonna festival, and will be, alongside Zoe Howe,
exploring 'the power of the witch figure and the legacy of witchtrials on contemporary culture and iconography'.

bellinisurge · 07/06/2022 12:16

Pretty sure there are specific rules in data protection law about creating Nolists of people - what used to be called blacklists. Hope someone on the list has complained to the ICO (Information Commissioner)

YetAnotherSpartacus · 07/06/2022 12:25

I wonder how many on the banned list are women (the cunty kind) and how many want us banned are men? And, isn't it strange that no one wants violent porn banned?

Xenia · 07/06/2022 12:36

Someone should report it to the Information Commissioner. There was a similar list of workers who were engaged in strikes/always off sick/trouble markers doing the rounds in one industry sector and those involved had severe penalties imposed for breach of data protection legislation. The ICO ought without fear or favour to enforce data protection law and this is probably special category/sensitive data too so even worse.

ico.org.uk/make-a-complaint/data-protection-complaints/
Hopefully someone with a bit of time on this MN thread will report it.

PlantSpider · 07/06/2022 15:34

It’s interesting how they’re referring to persecution but it’s the people on the other side who are having to remain anonymous, shamed and accept being referred to as terfs, nazis, transphobes etc by people in publishing.

They refer themselves in this letter to award winners. The SOA Chair herself makes her views very clear. I’m wondering where they feel the persecution actually is. We all know who needs to keep quiet in this for fear of recrimination and it’s not them.

DodoPatrol · 07/06/2022 15:43

'To quote Douglas Adams: “All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated and well supported in logic and argument than others.”'

Well, that's true enough.

But having read both opinions, I think the logical argument for division by sex stands up better than the one for division by gender.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 07/06/2022 15:45

I'm reminded that the Letter of Verbose Condemnation was linked to Penguin.

Someone in publishing, who proudly displayed her status as some form of Penguin employee in her twitter bio, was denouncing Gillian Philip this week and calling on all her friends to unfollow Gillian.

Penguin seem problematic.

OnlyLosersTakeTheBus · 07/06/2022 15:45

The problem with blocking all those "transphobic" people in the publishing world is that you simply can't find an editor when you need one Grin

WinterTrees · 07/06/2022 15:52

RorschachPest · 07/06/2022 12:10

However, in newer Bookseller news: a press release today announcing that Juno Dawson is headlining the Primadonna festival, and will be, alongside Zoe Howe,
exploring 'the power of the witch figure and the legacy of witchtrials on contemporary culture and iconography'.

Sweet jesus.

It just gets more and more blatant and beyond parody, doesn't it?

The only comfort is knowing that the more outrageous the appropriation and overreach, the more peoples' eyes are opened.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 07/06/2022 16:00

I've blanked out the name, because there is no point directing MN rage at her.

It's Penguin I'm interested in here.

Silly tweet:

I have far too many mutuals with G××llian Ph×l×p. I see you.
Only she used asteriskes not multiplication signs.

"Blocklist of transphobic people in publishing"
"Blocklist of transphobic people in publishing"
valadon68 · 08/06/2022 16:01

A reassuring take on similar news: thecritic.co.uk/publish-and-be-cancelled/

Pleasantsort · 30/05/2025 19:51

If anyone would like to buy one of mine and my husband's band's EP , we would be most grateful. We are officially on an Indie So called Transphobe List . Banned. It is awful... Used to get invited to play small festivals .

SinnerBoy · 30/05/2025 19:56

Sorry, what is your band called?

Pleasantsort · 30/05/2025 22:35

@SinnerBoy thanks for asking but we are hated enough 🤣

IstayedForTheFeminism · 30/05/2025 22:38

Pleasantsort · 30/05/2025 22:35

@SinnerBoy thanks for asking but we are hated enough 🤣

How can we buy your EP if we don't know who you are? Confused

Pleasantsort · 30/05/2025 23:17

IstayedForTheFeminism · 30/05/2025 22:38

How can we buy your EP if we don't know who you are? Confused

That's a fair point. I am just so weary of this shite, you know ( I bet you all do!).Dafties talking about us behind our backs (we've been told !)and told that we have been cancelled. All very polite, you understand .

Raquelos · 31/05/2025 00:00

Pleasantsort · 30/05/2025 19:51

If anyone would like to buy one of mine and my husband's band's EP , we would be most grateful. We are officially on an Indie So called Transphobe List . Banned. It is awful... Used to get invited to play small festivals .

Hey, I am so sorry the bastards have found a way to get to you. Have you checked out The Famous Artist Birdy Rose on X? She and her bloke are in the same boat on the festival scene. She's putting up a good fight against it though, it might be worth your connecting with her. I really do hope we are coming to the end of the era where these mob cancellations can have such a big impact🙁

https://x.com/TheFamousArtBR

Pleasantsort · 31/05/2025 08:16

Raquelos · 31/05/2025 00:00

Hey, I am so sorry the bastards have found a way to get to you. Have you checked out The Famous Artist Birdy Rose on X? She and her bloke are in the same boat on the festival scene. She's putting up a good fight against it though, it might be worth your connecting with her. I really do hope we are coming to the end of the era where these mob cancellations can have such a big impact🙁

Thanks for the advice Racquelos. I am actually so scared of going back on social media tbh. My (adult )children have have suggested that they do it for me, so I can "peddle my wares" so to speak and get our songs out there but I just wanna play music , you know ? Can't be arse with the hassle ? 🤣 I used to be in a all woman band years ago and basically got disowned by them as they have reformed and are totally using pronouns now and into all this gender ideology stuff - we are into our 50's and I won't do it ! I also have a day job that this could impact so I am mindful of that . I wish men and their fetishes would just go to a room quietly please and leave us women out of it.

Pleasantsort · 31/05/2025 08:18

@Raquelos the people that got myself and my husband cancelled are ex BBC producers and an MBE , so hardly marginalised eh ? I am sorrt to hear about your friend going through the same x

Thelnebriati · 31/05/2025 09:37

Calling it a 'blocklist' is a tell. Presumably they aren't using 'blacklist' because they think the word 'black' in that context has racist connotations?

A blacklist is something the bosses do to the workers. Its illegal in the UK for a company to use a blacklist, but only in the context of trade union activity. So that need updating. I guess it could apply to members of the new women's unions?

Employment Relations Act 1999 (Blacklists) Regulations 2010 (Blacklists Regulations 2010)
General prohibition
3.—(1) Subject to regulation 4, no person shall compile, use, sell or supply a prohibited list.
(2) A “prohibited list” is a list which—
(a) contains details of persons who are or have been members of trade unions or persons who are taking part or have taken part in the activities of trade unions, and
(b) is compiled with a view to being used by employers or employment agencies for the purposes of discrimination in relation to recruitment or in relation to the treatment of workers.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/493/regulation/3/made

The Employment Relations Act 1999 (Blacklists) Regulations 2010

These Regulations generally prohibit the compilation, use, sale or supply of blacklists containing details of trade union members and activists whose purpose is to discriminate against workers on grounds of trade union membership or trade union activit...

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2010/493/regulation/3/made

MarieDeGournay · 31/05/2025 11:59

Didn't the burning of her books inspire one of JKR's wonderful tweets?

Something like that every time one of her books is burnt, the royalties for it magically disappear from her bank balance, and if it was a signed copy, one of her teeth falls out?😂

I'm paraphrasing of course, I don't have JKR's way with words, if I had I'd have my own luxury yacht and I'd be saying 'Hey JK, race you round the Turks and Caicos, last one home buys the brandy and cigars'😎

Pleasantsort · 01/06/2025 11:36

@Raquelos I decided I don't care anymore . I'm cancelled anyway !🤣 Our EP is called Scatter Flats and is by Action Painting ! It is on Old Bad Habits Label. It is available on vinyl and on Band Camp. You can get it direct from us also xxx

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