Is this what Pride is about

[ThorsBedazzler]

Seen on Instagram, someone i follow has shared this on their stories.

Drag queens and trans women get top billing.

Lesbians and queer women relegated to nursing role.

Gay men only mentioned in relation to AIDS.

Doesn't seem right, does it?

I saw that yesterday and thought it was off.

Wimmin know thy place.

I’m not sure the message ‘violent males’ and ‘nurturing females’ would work for me as a gay or bisexual woman, no.

Our local pride has basically back to back Drag acts and drag queen story time. It's something in the past I would've been excited to go to. Now I just roll my eyes.

But that's what happened? Drag queens and trans women started pride. When gay men were tragically dying from aids, a lot of lesbian women nursed them till the end.

The tweet is talking about pride. Pride started with trans women whether you like it or not.

Storme kicked it off. A black lesbian - a woman.

Why do people feel the need to make sh*t up?

Its not about my likes or dislikes @twomumsonebump but I genuinely thought that gay men had more of a role in pride and the stonewall riots than lying passively, dying of AIDS being tended to by kindly lesbians whilst drag queens and trans women got on with rioting.

I have concerns that the screenshot is rewriting history, and diminishing the roles people played.

So much misinformation in one post.

Who actually threw the first brick in the Stonewall riots is actually not known. What is not in question is that it kicks off when the police attempted to arrest Storme DeLaverie, a black lesbian, and she resisted.

Marshall P Johnson (Marsha) is often credited with starting the riots with TRA's claiming he was a transwoman. However there is audio of Marshall stating that it was not them who threw the first brick as they arrived in Greenwich Village about 90 minutes after the riots started. Marshall was a gay man and a drag queen, they have never identified themselves as a transwoman. This information is also contained in a book he wrote.

The first Gay Pride occured in 1970, one year after the riots. Pride events were always referred to as Gay Pride and the T was a long way from being attached to the LGB. It is only in recent years that Stonewall have embraced the T, which would be quite an offensive oversight if the trans community is entirely responsible for progress in gay rights. Until 2015 Stonewall did not believe that sexual orientation and gender identity were well matched campaign partners. Again I is only in recent years that Gay Pride became just Pride.

The first case of AIDS was identified in the US in 1981, eleven years after the first Gay Pride event and in 1983 in the UK. Gay men started dying in significant numbers in the late 80''s and throughout the 1990's before drug therapy started to improve the lives of those infected.

KittenKong is absolutely right - the riots were not started by Sylvia Rivera or Marsha P. Johnson (as is invariably claimed by TRAs) but by a butch lesbian called Storme DeLarverie. Johnson stated himself that he wasn't there on the first night, and that Rivera hadn't been there at all. And contrary to TRA mythology surrounding these two, neither Johnson or Rivera in fact identified as transgender - both described themselves as street queens or, in Rivera's case, transvestites. A quick trawl of Wikipedia will confirm this.

Cross post - and FOJN's post is much more accurate and informative that mine!

And I mean, come on.

It was only ‘lesbian women’ who cared for gay men dying from AIDS?

What a load of old tut.

I'm not even a lesbian and even I know that lesbians and gay did men did a LOT more for gay rights than dying of AIDS and nursing people through it.

Plus, some of the nursing was done by gay men...

History is obviously just there to be rewritten.

‘Pride started with trans women whether you like it or not.’

I’m not sure I’d care. If there’s a hierarchy that seems less proud than... unpleasant.

The tweet is talking about pride. Pride started with trans women whether you like it or not

nope

(i know others have pointed it out, but it’s important to get facts right…pesky fucking things that they are)

Just listened to a podcast with Arielle Scarcella. She knows people who were actually there at the riots and they've said that history has been rewritten to claim that it was trans women of colour who started the movement. They were drag queens.

Really? I find that odd. I follow her on twitter. I have also followed people who were recorded as being there and they say the same thing. Storme was in the thick of it.

Drag queens (there wasn’t Transvestites mentioned) were not in the running.

where is this podcast?

Old lesbian here. Pride is nothing to do with me anymore.

The organisers of the first Pride seem to be recognised as - Craig Rodwell, Fred Sargeant, Ellen Broidy, Linda Rhodes and Brenda Howard.

The first UK Pride was organised by the Gay Liberation Front but the only organiser I can find named is Peter Tatchell.

I have also followed people who were recorded as being there and they say the same thing. Storme was in the thick of it.

No she absolutely was in the thick of it, she resisted arrest which started the riots and she was very much involved. TRA's often claim it was a transwoman who threw the first brick which is what started the riot. They claim the transwoman was Marshall P Johnson by he wasn't even there at the start and never claimed to be a transwoman. There is much speculation but no one knows for certain who actually threw the first brick, there is a documentary about it somewhere on YouTube, I'll see f I can find a link.

Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera later started an action group called S.T.A.R., the Street Transvestites Action Group. Nothing to do with transitioning in any way.

For most of human history lesbians and gay men had to hide their sexuality. Now, after a few brief years of societal acceptance, they are being written out of their own history by people younger than my oldest pair of pants. It is offensive in the extreme.

Marsha P. Johnson was a gay man, and drag queen, and wasn't even present at Stonewall until later, according to people who were actually there.

Oh quelle surprise the ppl who got their history from tumblr turn up to transwash how pride started 🙄

I suppose that, once you've appropriated the day itself, stealing and dressing yourself in its history and culture is just the cherry on the cake.

I’ve not seen so much ‘yeah but but but…’ since I was at primary school.