Transgender Female

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Hi, lurker who loves hanging out here and learning from you fabulous ladies. Trying to unpack something I've just seen. An event at work covering each letter in LGBT to raise awareness or whatever. Good start as the events seem to actually cover each letter separately.

I noticed at the T event, the speaker describes herself as a "transgender female" which is obviously meaningless. Or at least to me means, transgender man. But definitely a transwoman going by the rest of the description and photo.

I don't really know what I'm asking, perhaps this is common now to avoid the word woman as perhaps it is seen as toxic?

i find the phrase confusing to read (wouldn’t be confusing if the person who identified as such was in front of me). Am never quite sure whether the intention is a female who has transitioned and identifies as male or the other way around. Which is probably why the phrase is gaining traction - to obscure.

They colonised the 'word' woman because that's the word we use.

We started using the word 'female' to communicate that we are referring to the people we used to (and I still do) call 'women'. Of course they have now starting using that.

If we started calling ourselves flarblegarps, or ooglebargs or floomitarques, they would colonise those words, too.

We aren't supposed to have a word that only refers to use without some kinds of men who also want to be included. They can gtfo.

Exactly why everyone should insist on woman meaning adult female. As you say they will colonise any words we use. Just stop playing their games.

@crumpet gender identity ideologues use the words relating to the thing they want to be. So a man becomes a 'trans woman' or now, 'trans female' and a woman becomes a 'trans man' or trans male'.

If you remember that the ideology is all about undermining reality it's quite easy to remember which way round they use them.

For me, I try not to use any of their terms because I don't follow the ideology and it obscures reality, making it harder to communicate.

Just looking up this person as she seems to be quite clever based on job and academic history.

".....secondments in plain clothes operations, roads policing, serious and organised crime, leadership, and business efficiency projects. Her areas of specialism and interest was in deception and body language.

Her passion for social psychology, body language, executive function, and the neuropsychological processes that mediate decision-making led her to study for her MSc in Psychology where she researched psychopathy and success, together with facial micro-expressions in psychopaths."

I'm quite interested in what she has to say after reading that 🙈

Another thought - perhaps she uses transgender female to differentiate herself as someone who has undergone full medical transition.

I wonder if I'm brave enough to attend and ask what she means by it.

Interesting areas of specialism: “deception and body language”.

Gosh, was it only days ago people were telling us no one was going to expand the word female? And that all transitioned males understood and respected they were not female?

There is no such thing as a transgender female, the trans part means in fact 'not female' so it's a 'not female female'.

Female is a fact, not an optional choice. The problem is that as 'woman' was commandeered and now is a meaningless 'anyone of any sex who chooses a label that means.... something, but no one quite dares say it means female and those who would like to be perceived as biologically female but are not' and a lot of attempts to use stereotypes and feelings to justify it, women have retreated to 'female' as a means of talking about the 50% of the population who are identifiable as a sex class.

This is not making male people happy and now 'female' is under attack.

And this is the point that the answer has to become a straight, blunt, 'no'.

There is never going to be any reciprocal respect, there is never going to be any care or understanding for what this does to females, and I'm afraid at this point hurting feelings stops being the primary concern. The rights of the female 50% of the population not to be subordinated to the best interests of less than 1% of male people is. And the fact that less than 1% of male people have been able to do all this damage to 50% of the entire population is the reason why this is a very, very serious issue and being 'kind' is no longer possible.

Go along and listen. As you say their specialist skills sound fascinating. I would be intrigued to discuss how people's expressions can reveal so much. Fascinating. Hopefully someone with such knowledge wouldn't be trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes and just trot out thought terminating clichés. Let us know how you get on.

Exactly what I was about to say.

That's not how the ideology works. That would, in old money, be "transsexual".

Using the word "female" is a very deliberate choice; it tells us that the person isn't satisfied with just taking "women", but wants "female", too. It's the last remaining word we have, so probably generates an extra frisson.

Anyone using language in this way is not someone that I would challenge in a work setting. I certainly wouldn't query their self-perception. Are you familiar with the Gamestop incident?

Just looking up this person as she seems to be quite clever based on job and academic history.

Honestly, up until Allison Bailey's tribunal, I'd have found biographies interesting and indicative. Having seen the gulf between the biographies of the QCs from Garden Court Chambers who testified and just how they came across in their witness statements and under cross-examination, I'll reduce my weighting of biographies and glittering CVs, academic histories in the future.

'Transgender female' is now used (particularly in the US, I think) to mean a male person who identifies as transgender.

transgender female
female person who was assigned male at birth
www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1052281

This article uses 'transgender female' in that way:
www.nytimes.com/2022/05/29/us/lia-thomas-women-sports.html

Ms. Navratilova argues that transgender female athletes possess insurmountable biological advantages.

'Transgender female' athletes possess biological advantages because they are male. I think this abuse of language is because most people will read 'transgender female' and think it means a woman who identifies as transgender.

I've seen this creeping into newspaper articles a lot lately.

It was predicted when they demanded the word woman, and very deliberate.

I wonder if all that time studying body language will have paid off in this person's manner, or if you'll just witness tired 'female' clichés like a head tilt.

Definitely fascinating specialism given .. everything. I'll go along and see what she has to say for 2 hours (!)

This is an external speaker by the way, not someone who works here. The three other speakers (who appear to be a gay man, lesbian woman and bisexual woman) work for an org called 'inclusive employers' so I guess its organised via them. The trans person doesn't, and works for the NHS but has published academic papers on trans issues in medical practice I think.

Male and female are still biological sex categories, a transfemale would surely mean transmas/ TIF.

thecritic.co.uk/language-truth-and-logic/

I have just read this about Stella Creasy's use of the term 'Adult human female' in the Telegraph at the weekend.

It is very good about explaining the term "conceptual engineering" which is what is happening here.

The term "female" that is a recognised term for biological sex across the animal and plant kingdoms is being re-engineered and removed from its connection with biological sex

I've been seeing "transgender female" quite a bit more often recently. It is confusing, and I think probably in many cases an attempt to push the idea, or is a reflection of the belief, that trans is a kind of intersex category.

Head of Trans inclusion at Stonewall, Kirrin Medcalf told a judge, under oath, that 'Bodies are not inherently male or female. They are just their bodies.'

"For me, I try not to use any of their terms because I don't follow the ideology and it obscures reality, making it harder to communicate."
Agree.
What ever you say will offend someone or someone who pretend to be offended to show they are oh so very woke.
So I just do not bother

"Just looking up this person as she seems to be quite clever based on job and academic history."
She did psychology a worthless easy degree that is not respected in the business environment.

Yup you can't say female now to mean what it used to.

Same with 'natal woman'...now AFAB of something.

Although by that logic can you be AFAB and then become a transfemale?

Oh, just remembered, no logic with trans ideology!