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Staffy1 · 30/05/2022 18:50

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10868255/The-new-sci-fi-novel-sparking-2022s-ludicrous-trans-row.html?login#readerCommentsCommand-message-field

How is this anything to do with trans people? It’s about all men disappearing from what I can see. Stephen King wrote a book with a similar idea where all the women disappeared and went to another world where they did quite well while things got worse for the men. No one whines about that.

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TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 30/05/2022 18:59

I love me some feminist sci-fi and whatever makes TRAs spit the dummy. I’m buying it. Good work, that publicist.

i think the logic behind the dummy spitting is that the book acknowledges “people with Y chromosomes” as a meaningful category.

Also some of them are explicitly enraged that women who read it might be enjoying the idea of a world without men, implying a world without transwomen! They aren’t having that. Women are to have no spaces where we can escape from them, not even in our imaginations.

Staffy1 · 30/05/2022 19:03

Ah, that would explain it. I will definitely be buying it as well.

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PaleBlueMoonlight · 30/05/2022 19:10

That sounds right up my street. Definitely ordering.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/05/2022 19:18

One of the criticisms likens the author to a cross between JK Rowling and Abigail Shrier like that's a bad thing.Grin

dolorsit · 30/05/2022 19:26

The Guardian had an article by the author last week

www.theguardian.com/books/2022/may/25/sandra-newman-female-utopian-fiction

And a short interview

www.theguardian.com/books/2022/may/21/sandra-newman-do-i-want-men-to-go-away-no

Staffy1 · 30/05/2022 19:52

Thanks for the links @dolorsit

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tabbycatstripy · 30/05/2022 19:53

Think the book suggests ‘men’ and ‘people with Y chromosomes’ are the same group.

LtMoose · 30/05/2022 19:57

Well all this criticism has done, is make me want to buy and the read the book, and I probably wouldn't have heard about it otherwise!

Mysterioso · 30/05/2022 20:08

Ah a book burning by the righteous.
How original.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/05/2022 20:28

Trans women must stave off transformation by constantly taking hormones they can only get by killing men and eating their testicles. Meanwhile, they’re being hunted by TERFs (trans-exclusionary radical feminists), who see them as man-monsters waiting to happen. The book is written to graphically convey the terror of transphobia. Still it’s been attacked by some on Twitter for its bioessentialist premise.

Has it? I thought many on Twitter thought it was great because women get hunted down and JK Rowling is killed?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/05/2022 20:36

A comment on Twitter by someone with a pink and blue flag to another female author defending this author, even though they both seem to be falling over themselves to prove they aren't "transphobic", I don't think these people can even bear the acknowledgment that men and women have different biology.

Note the completely open threat to destroy her online. It's never ever going to be enough, whatever you do or say. Best not to give anything at all.

Book criticism
GoodThinkingMax · 30/05/2022 22:33

Lots of sci-fi writers have imagined a world where men die out. Doris Lessing, and John Wyndham, to start with. It’s a really interesting thought experiment.

Aldous Huxley started to think about a world without women, in Brave New World, where foetuses are gestated in test tubes.

SerenaVanDerWoodsenHumphrey · 31/05/2022 03:41

"I will come at you with everything."

If past performance is an indication of future behaviour, that'll be "everything" BUT logic, common sense, decency, critical thinking skills, and the self-awareness to see that they themself are a horrific bigot.

Meanwhile the same AWA who wrote the nonsense about transwomen hunting down feminists and killing and dismembering black women is bravely leading the charge to, ummm.... "destroy" Sandra Newman on Goodreads with (checks notes) appropriative namecalling and one-star reviews. The message is very clear: bigoted stuff done by misogynist bullies is A-OK; anything done by women if horrific if misogynists don't like it. It almost seems like there should be a word for that sort of warped double standard ...🤔

Aldous Huxley started to think about a world without women, in Brave New World, where foetuses are gestated in test tubes. Marge Piercy had the foetuses in test tubes, too, in Woman on the Edge of Time. But her future society kept the women around because it turned out that some of them were also rather good at other stuff besides the birthin'.

GoodThinkingMax · 31/05/2022 03:52

Yes I was thinking of Marge Piercy too. And I don't think Aldous Huxley meant the title other than sardonically or ironically.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/05/2022 09:38

Meanwhile the same AWA who wrote the nonsense about transwomen hunting down feminists and killing and dismembering black women is bravely leading the charge to, ummm.... "destroy" Sandra Newman on Goodreads with (checks notes) appropriative namecalling and one-star reviews. The message is very clear: bigoted stuff done by misogynist bullies is A-OK; anything done by women if horrific if misogynists don't like it. It almost seems like there should be a word for that sort of warped double standard ...

Wow, what an extremely surprising turn of events.

Justme56 · 31/05/2022 13:33

I think some people make everything about themselves. Whilst I don’t think it is the most original of ideas as they say ‘All publicity is good publicity!’ here’s hoping it does well.

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