How is being trans like being LGB?

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Just as an experiment can we only have answers that show how they are like each other?

The only thing I can see is that there is an overlap between some gay/lesbian/bi people who transition.

But then there are LGB people who are a percentage of every community ie: swimmers.

So what else makes them alike?

Helen8220 · Today 11:02

Most of us find the current hostility against trans people pretty upsetting, not least because it’s so reminiscent of what we faced in the past.

How do you feel about same sex attrached people being called a bigot and violently threatened by TRAs because they refuse to sleep with someone of the opposite sex but (allegedly) same gender?

Perfectly expressed

*try again (see post below). On a basis of gender stereotypes you mean?"

I don't behave in traditional ways that people would expect me to based on gender stereotypes but it doesn't make me trans or LGB.
What is the difference?

"Most of us find the current hostility against trans people pretty upsetting, not least because it’s so reminiscent of what we faced in the past."
I'm old. Don't recall gay men, lesbians and bisexual people demanding we change our language and blur our boundaries.

And threatening people with suicide if they didn't comply. Never saw that.

They're all human. That's it.
Of course, some of those humans consider themselves way more important than other humans, but humanity, for what it's worth (feck all, it appears), is the only connection.

The LGB community and the T community are both marginalized as a result of their community being (1) intrinsically linked to issues of sex and gender; and (2) not having a traditional hetronormative attitudes to sex and gender.

Unfortunately for people who think that this makes them obvious bedfellows one could also make the following statement.

The KKK and BLM are both marginalized as a result of their community being (1) intrinsically linked to issues of race and racism; and (2) not sharing the mainstream view of race and racism.

If you think of it on the Kinsey scale say 1 (heterosexual) to 10 (homosexual), transsexual would be 11, which is extreme homosexuality. And this ties up well with the theory about hormones the baby receives whilst in the womb (not enough testosterone for a boy and his a gay, too much for a girl and she is gay). You could say that even less testosterone for a boy and he would be trans, way too much for a girl would be trans too.

Now from this people would say "what about the heterosexual men who transition" and I would say that they are likely to be AGP, and that anyone who is not homosexual should not be considered for gender reassignment (this would also protect a lot of the girls with rapid onset gender dysmorphia).

Not saying everyone who is gay should transition (that is conversion therapy), just saying that there should be certain gates for this, and heterosexual people shouldn't be able to pass the first gate.

There's also the cultural/geographic difference: there is more of a tradition of gay/same-sex-attracted males having 'feminising' surgery in 'Latin'/Catholic-majority countries and cultures and in the USA more generally. I would imagine homophobia plays into that: the UK has (or had) more ease around homosexuality and 'gender bending' (think of all those pop stars in the 70s and 80s who became mainstream UK teatime TV fixtures).

Can you explain further how the challenges you face are similar. Surely it is fair to say in 2022 in the UK at least that same sex attraction has been widely accepted and supported for the last 2 decades or more. In fact to not accept that would now be way outside the mainstream. So how is this "challenge" intertwined with the issues faced by people who fall under the T umbrella and what are those issues?

All human beings have a sexual orientation either heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or asexual.

A transgender person has a sexual orientation based on their sex, again either heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or asexual.

Historically, the linking of LGB and T was because some (not all) Transgender people (with gender dysphoria) were also homosexual or bisexual. Although historically they were not always welcomed by the LGB community.

Time has moved on and transgender now includes many people (mainly males) who are heterosexual and who have paraphilias including exhibitionism, voyeurism, AGP, pedophilia, frotteurism etc. The presentation as a TW enables them to be in female spaces where they can fulfill their heterosexual paraphilic needs.

Paraphilias are completely different to gender dysphoria but the wide spread acceptance into the transgender umbrella is the crux of the debate. It is why women, including lesbians, historically accepted TW with gender dysphoria into female spaces but now consider TW with paraphilias a threat in female spaces.

Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria, primarily in teenage girls, is a separate but equally concerning issue. I am hopeful the Cass Review will set out an appropriate, scientific approach to protect girls from making life changing decisions before they have explored all the options.