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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Virtue Signalling Skincare Company

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DialSquare · 26/05/2022 19:05

Trying to sort my middle aged skin out and found this company online. There are some questions to answer so they can establish what issues you want to target. Started off fine asking about the issues I'd like to target most. Then I got to this page. What the fuck does anyone's gender have to do with skincare? Sex yes due to chance of pregnancy as they explain but using the assigned at birth bollocks has really put me off. It's just not needed. They don't have an option for no gender either so I guess I'll be looking elsewhere.

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SarahShorty · 26/05/2022 19:08

Always pick 'Other' on those gender things. It makes them worried they're not being inclusive enough and they deserve to be wound up.

ChagSameachDoreen · 26/05/2022 19:09

I know which company this is because I was about to sign up until I got to this nonsense. I went no further.

MarmaladeLime · 26/05/2022 19:11

I guess it's their way of asking what hormones you'll have?

BootsAndRoots · 26/05/2022 19:16

I see the top question as the fictional question and then the "no, really we need to know your actual sex" question.

Male or Female should be sufficient. As the treatments should cater towards what hormones are flowing around your body, for instance non-binary is nonsense because it doesn't say what hormones are flowing around your body.

Another case of "trans rights is not making changes for anyone else" and now people having to answer multiple questions to ascertain whether you are a man or a woman.

DialSquare · 26/05/2022 19:17

I was going to select Other then saw Assigned at Birth and decided to look elsewhere.

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DialSquare · 26/05/2022 19:22

ChagSameachDoreen · 26/05/2022 19:09

I know which company this is because I was about to sign up until I got to this nonsense. I went no further.

Exactly. I just want a good cream to sort my skin out not virtue signalling at every corner.

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RosehipSyrupForDinner · 26/05/2022 19:23

It's all bollocks isn't it, so frustrating.

Also, their stuff is really expensive and gave DD terrible spots. I would never recommend them after DD and I discovered that we'd been given exactly the same 'prescription' despite our 30 year age difference and us both putting down entirely different skin concerns. This was a while ago. Now, if I was asked those ridiculous questions, I'd click straight off their website and tweet then to tell them why

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 26/05/2022 19:27

It is misguided and ironically alienating and excluding, but I'm guessing they're just trying to cover themselves - that they have an initial question to 'be kind', but which they don't really pay much attention to; and then a second question, the answer to which is the one they actually take notice of.

If they just asked one question: "What sex are you? No, we mean your actual biological sex and not any gender with which you may identify", that would sound unnecessarily harsh to some and would be used as a 'phobic' stick with which to beat them.

Just pondering, but I'm guessing that they could have a disproportionately high number of transmen as customers who answer 'man' to the first question, as male men who have never identified as anything other than male men/boys are considerably less likely to care about skincare in the first place than somebody who is female and/or has identified/been recognised as such for at least part of their life.

DialSquare · 26/05/2022 19:34

RosehipSyrupForDinner · 26/05/2022 19:23

It's all bollocks isn't it, so frustrating.

Also, their stuff is really expensive and gave DD terrible spots. I would never recommend them after DD and I discovered that we'd been given exactly the same 'prescription' despite our 30 year age difference and us both putting down entirely different skin concerns. This was a while ago. Now, if I was asked those ridiculous questions, I'd click straight off their website and tweet then to tell them why

Sounds like I've dodged a bullet there then!

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DialSquare · 26/05/2022 19:42

Totally agree with everything you've said WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll.

I can't eye-roll enough about this nonsense.

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Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 26/05/2022 19:47

Yes, they only need to ask for sex, the only reason they are asking for gender identity is to validate and because if they only ask about sex they will get accused of being transphobic or some such bollocks. There is absolutely no need to know the gender identity of anyone.

Skin and Me is a rip off anyway. If you want tretinoin, just get it direct from the Spanish pharmacy.

DialSquare · 26/05/2022 19:54

Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 26/05/2022 19:47

Yes, they only need to ask for sex, the only reason they are asking for gender identity is to validate and because if they only ask about sex they will get accused of being transphobic or some such bollocks. There is absolutely no need to know the gender identity of anyone.

Skin and Me is a rip off anyway. If you want tretinoin, just get it direct from the Spanish pharmacy.

I've got Retirides 0.5 from Spain but I use it for a while, then my skin starts peeling and breaking out and I give up. Then I'll start a again with it a few months down the line with the same results. I know I'm probably not using it sparingly enough to ease my skin in to it. I'll have to be more patient with it.

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Lynnthesearesexnotgenderpeople · 26/05/2022 20:00

0.05 is probably too much. I use 0.025 Retirides and I don't have any intention of ever going any stronger. I have been using it about a year and still can't do it every night, as I get dryness and lots of peeling.

This is another reason I don't like Skin and Me or Dermatica. They advise going in every night from the start, and they up the strength really quickly.

DialSquare · 26/05/2022 20:05

Good point. I'll try using it sparingly to see if that helps but might try to get the 0.25 next time I'm there.

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DialSquare · 26/05/2022 20:08

Keep missing out a 0 after the decimal
point. I think 0.5 strength would probably take all my skin off!

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DuesToTheDirt · 26/05/2022 20:29

Anything that uses "assigned at birth" gives me the rage and often leads me to abandon ship (Zoe covid app, I'm looking at you). If we go along with there being a potential difference between sex and gender, then sex is observed at birth, not assigned, and gender (how you feel) is non-existent when you're born.

As an aside, I really wish some other term than "gender" got used for how you feel/identify, as "gender" so often used as a politer synonym for "sex", which just muddies the waters when a difference is required. Or maybe that's deliberate.

Musomama1 · 26/05/2022 20:50

Yes I agree, Assigned at Birth is just complete fiction, I'll never use this and it's just a complete turn off for me. Partly as I've been lucky enough to see for myself that sex is observed, usually by a lovely midwife during a 20 week scan and had been determined at conception.

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