Gender Recognition Reform Scotland responses published.

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60%+ think will have a negative impact.

Nicola will just push ahead despite this though won't she. 🤬

www.parliament.scot/-/media/files/committees/equalities-human-rights-and-civil-justice-committee/gender-recognition-bill/equalities-committee-summary-of-short-survey-grr-bill-responses.pdf

Yes. If Scotgov changes the law in Scotland, this does immediately affect the rest of the UK, of course. Unless we have a hard border ...

I'm a woman in Scotland; I'm profoundly grateful for the efforts of women throughout the UK who have contributed.

By 'English voters' I assume you mean people who live in other parts of the UK. But this would affect the whole of the UK, as FPFW made clear.

I'm very aware of that - I guess I was asking whether posters in Scotland think it's helpful for voters in England to be so actively involved. If the answer is yes then good.

Soz the bolding function didn't work. That first sentence is a quote from another poster.

Hmm the results of the questions asked in that consultation don't seem to reflect this comment now do they?!

Astroturfing is the practice of masking the sponsors of a message or organization (e.g., political, advertising, religious or public relations) to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by grassroots participants.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

Astroturfing is what the Scottish government is doing - trying to convince people that their government-led agenda is actually a people's movement.

I would read astroturfing in that context as being a laughably predictable accusation about women's groups/individuals being funded by far right fundamentalists. An accusation publicially made by Lorna Slater and proven, through a FOI, to have no basis in fact. Nicola Sturgeon has stood by Lorna's baseless claims.

And as always "accusations are admissions"...

On the subject of the the 'majority' and what their views are, here is a link to a recent Panelbase poll. It is disaggregated by sex, iirc:

wingsoverscotland.com/voting-for-people-who-hate-you/

that poll reflects the consultation results pretty closely: 65% oppose reforms, 35% support.

In addition to the cross-border effects, as a voter in Wales, there is another reason why this is important to us. The Welsh government also want to bring in self-ID. If this passes in Scotland, we're likely to be next.

This makes this even more important to Welsh voters than English, but the cross-border effects will also affect England.

The Scottish government is interfering with the democratic process for the whole of the UK. On another thread about this bill there was a mention of meetings between the Scottish and UK governments to discuss whether the new Scottish GRC should be recognised on equal terms with the current version, so that people born in other parts of the UK could change their birth certificates using a Scottish GRC, without this going through the proper democratic process in the UK parliament.

The Scottish Parliament invited contributions from outside Scotland. The Scottish Parliament wants to change the laws for the whole of the UK. People from the rest of the UK have every right to take part in this.

I have no issue at all with women from other parts of the UK having their say about the consultation. The situation in Wales is entirely comparable in terms of the level of institutional capture (the 'dog eating the equality impact assessment' being a prime example).

I can see TRA's using the whole 'well many of these people don't live in Scotland anyway!!!' as a way to try to brush off the results but honestly, if it wasn't that, it would be something else. They, and the Scottish Government, are hellbent on pushing this through, whatever anyone says.

@ruthieness
If they are so convinced that's its only a minority that object and the majority will welcome it with open arms, put it to a public vote. But they won't, because they know very well that most people have serious doubts about self id.

Thanks for responding. And to be clear, I wasn't querying whether we had the right - I get that part. It was more about whether our interventions would be regarded as helpful by women in Scotland. Thanks all 🙂

We are all very closely connected in the UK, much as the Scotgov tries to differentiate as much as they possibly can and present us as completely separate, each country's decisions impact on the others.

I think I love her, I mean him!

Amazing response. Nails their utter tripe

Presumably it was the Scottish government's decision to allow citizens outside of Scotland to participate (and presumably people on both sides of the issue took the opportunity to do so).

The results could easily be disaggregated for Scotland. Why do you think they chose not to publish the results just for Scotland? 🤔Do you really think if the results for the Scottish responses were in favour they wouldn't have presented them?

Yes, it would be very interesting to see how the numbers break down.

Where are women in MSPs’ transgender sport talks, asks Olympian Mara Yamauchi. Sharetokens working again, yay:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5062d914-dba9-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=d037703d4a6593a8f5a3679354a88294

The Mr Man response is gold! I can only dream of being so clever and witty!
Thanks for posting.

The 2011 Census recorded 708,872 people born in Scotland resident in England. It's nearer 800,000 now, I think. There's a big chunk of the Scots-born population in England, many of whom could well have voted.

*If they are so convinced that's its only a minority that object and the majority will welcome it with open arms, put it to a public vote. But they won't, because they know very well that most people have serious doubts about self id.

60%+ think will have a negative impact.

It seems to me that enthusiasts for the bill will have a rallied their troops to give supportive responses.

And of course women and other interested parties have rallied to make known their concerns.

So there are more of us.

However many people remain unaware of what is going on and will not have responded. But if it was put to a referendum then I'm pretty sure that 60% would be far far higher.

Report about Sharron Davies' comments in the Times Scotland today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/818dc878-dc71-11ec-bcbd-e35b52e0266c?shareToken=4e28443947d94fe656ab341e6b12c477