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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sunday Times - Gender Ideology in Schools, perspective from a teacher

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rogdmum · 21/05/2022 19:05

I can’t get share tokens to work, but archive ph is our friend

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/teacher-reveals-how-schools-are-struggling-with-trans-rights-7068kn350

I’m not surprised by this at all but am glad to see a shift where more people are willing to speak out.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/05/2022 19:46

What a good article from someone who understands the issues.

TopKnotch · 21/05/2022 19:57

How can I read this? Is it something that would be useful to send to school?

rogdmum · 21/05/2022 19:59

Put the link in archive ph. I’m not posting the archived link because last time I did my post was deleted!

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rogdmum · 21/05/2022 20:01

A couple of quotes from it:

”The school had no clear written policy about what to do in such cases. My first response was to pick up the phone to the year 9 girl’s home. I rang her mother to try to find out more about the background; had the teenager spoken about not wanting to be treated as a girl? It turned out that it had been aired and a therapist had been brought in.

The child’s mother said there was an explicit instruction from the therapist that she continue to be called by the name she was given at birth and addressed as female. There was a belief that there were other psychological issues to explore and the mother said it was imperative the school follow the same line as was being taken at home.”

But staff were then targeted by pupils for “transphobia” and initially the Head supported the students:

”The head took a different view to mine. He saw no reason not to do what the child wanted. I explained that I had no ideological axe to grind but felt uncomfortable about disobeying a parent’s request. We discussed it and I agreed to leave it with him while he deliberated the right path to take. In the meantime we agreed that the teaching staff would continue to use the child’s female pronouns.

Over the course of the year, however, I got a few calls from the mother complaining that some teachers were calling the girl by the name she had requested. The girl would take her books home and her chosen name would be written on the front of them. The mother was concerned and said she was being ignored. I could see her point. But the staff were reluctant to face the continuing resentment from pupils in the class.”

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TopKnotch · 21/05/2022 20:17

A frightening quote for me, "If a teenager questioned the prevailing view among their peers and said: “You can’t just become a boy, you can’t change your sex”, then they could be sent to the pastoral hub and it might be suggested they undertake an LGBT course."

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/05/2022 20:47

I'm pleased that the situation in schools is finally being highlighted. This is where much of the increase in referrals to GIDs is coming from. Unchecked social contagion fuelled online, played out in schools with helpless parents and too many teachers acting as useful idiots (as seen in the girls school incident) instead of intelligently intervening.
To be fair, with politicians fuelling all this and very self interested adults bullying via social media and influencing school practice to fulfil their own wishes, that is a big ask of teachers

user1471504747 · 21/05/2022 20:50

TopKnotch · 21/05/2022 20:17

A frightening quote for me, "If a teenager questioned the prevailing view among their peers and said: “You can’t just become a boy, you can’t change your sex”, then they could be sent to the pastoral hub and it might be suggested they undertake an LGBT course."

How do schools even afford to send kids on LGBT courses? No money for that around here Hmm

nepeta · 21/05/2022 20:52

How do I do the share token? I subscribe now, but can't seem to find a way to do that.

user1471504747 · 21/05/2022 20:54

nepeta · 21/05/2022 20:52

How do I do the share token? I subscribe now, but can't seem to find a way to do that.

I’ve seen posters say it’s by the share button at the bottom of an article

SpringCalling · 21/05/2022 20:59

Does this work?

Teacher reveals how schools are struggling with trans rights

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/teacher-reveals-how-schools-are-struggling-with-trans-rights-7068kn350

OvaHere · 21/05/2022 21:01

nepeta · 21/05/2022 20:52

How do I do the share token? I subscribe now, but can't seem to find a way to do that.

You click on the email link which generates an email with the share token. Then C&P and close down the email (unless you do want to email it to someone).

GAHgamel · 21/05/2022 21:02

@rogdmum Reading that I was thinking "this sounds very like what happened with one of the posters on FWR's kids". Do the other details sound familiar, or is it just a coincidence do you think?

I will understand if you'd prefer not to confirm or deny in case it's too outing.

nepeta · 21/05/2022 21:03

OvaHere · 21/05/2022 21:01

You click on the email link which generates an email with the share token. Then C&P and close down the email (unless you do want to email it to someone).

Thanks.

OvaHere · 21/05/2022 21:04

OvaHere · 21/05/2022 21:01

You click on the email link which generates an email with the share token. Then C&P and close down the email (unless you do want to email it to someone).

Having just said all that it's now not working for me. I have recently updated my browser though. That's how I always used to do it.

ResisterRex · 21/05/2022 21:07

Link on Conservatives for Women should work

mobile.twitter.com/CforWomenUK/status/1528072045451522048?cxt=HHwWgMC9xbzb5rQqAAAA

rogdmum · 21/05/2022 21:08

GAHgamel · 21/05/2022 21:02

@rogdmum Reading that I was thinking "this sounds very like what happened with one of the posters on FWR's kids". Do the other details sound familiar, or is it just a coincidence do you think?

I will understand if you'd prefer not to confirm or deny in case it's too outing.

No it’s not me. I promise. The story is quite similar but you would not believe how many parents I know who have gone through virtually the same experience with their school.

I think more and more of these stories will start to come out now. Partly because generally people are feeling more able to speak out, and also because many of our children are now reaching the point where they are leaving school and so we are approaching the time where we will be in a position to be able to speak.

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nepeta · 21/05/2022 21:18

OvaHere · 21/05/2022 21:04

Having just said all that it's now not working for me. I have recently updated my browser though. That's how I always used to do it.

It's not working for me, but then my email arrangement is nonstandard. I will have to play with it later this weekend.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/05/2022 21:27

I think the share tokens aren't working or they've switched them off. I've just tried a couple of other articles and none of them are working. So I reckon it's not us.
Back in the day when the Times first started covering this I used to go out and buy a paper copy to kind of say thank you. Now their coverage is so comprehensive I'd be broke if I did that Grin
But there's no doubt, they've educated so many people - the responses to the school stories have been very powerful - thousands responding to the girl leaving her school before A levels. And they're still covering it.

McDuffy · 21/05/2022 21:37

I can't get the share tokens to work either but the article is worth buying the paper for.

DH is a teacher and thankfully hasn't bought into any of the ideology, he has very strong convictions (is stubborn!) and is a logical, evidence-based thinker, so isn't at risk.

IcakethereforeIam · 21/05/2022 21:39

Managed to read the article through the twitter link thank you. Grim stuff.

DdraigGoch · 22/05/2022 00:40

I'm impressed that the parents managed to find a therapist with sense.

TheBiologyStupid · 22/05/2022 01:13

ResisterRex · 21/05/2022 21:07

Thanks, Rex - clicking on the link worked for me.

A very worrying article, but good that news on the issue is filtering out and being reported.

WandaWomblesaurus · 22/05/2022 07:49

TopKnotch · 21/05/2022 20:17

A frightening quote for me, "If a teenager questioned the prevailing view among their peers and said: “You can’t just become a boy, you can’t change your sex”, then they could be sent to the pastoral hub and it might be suggested they undertake an LGBT course."

Brainwashing enforced by the school.

They better have good lawyers.

ChopinBoard · 22/05/2022 10:08

So children aren't just bullying other children but are also bullying the teachers? Good lord! New DfE guidance can't come soon enough.

But how the hell has all this happened under a supposed Conservative government?!*

*rhetorical

mynameisnotmichaelcaine · 22/05/2022 11:37

I am a teacher. Far too many of my pupils believe that you can change biological sex and that you can become a biological father if you are a transman and mother if you are a transwoman.