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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Australian paediatrician open letter

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334bu · 20/05/2022 17:33

Not sure if this has been posted anywhere else. Worth a read.

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Skelligsfeathers · 20/05/2022 17:34

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/05/2022 18:26

That's a devastating piece - thank you for sharing. The comments underneath from parents are completely heartbreaking.

nepeta · 20/05/2022 18:34

I found it very interesting, the way he defines the process as essentially leaving someone in a child's body in adulthood. I have not seen that description elsewhere and don't know if it would be generally approved, but even if it is not, it gave me different sets of questions about the transitioning process.

We are usually told that an early transition means undergoing the puberty of the sex one identifies with and not the one one belongs to, but this piece suggests something different.

DisappearingGirl · 20/05/2022 18:39

Wow, a great letter, heartbreaking comments, and a global medical scandal

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/05/2022 18:51

He carefully unpicks the role of paediatric endocrinologists in doing the opposite of what doctors are meant to do - literally inducing illness:
They are inducing iatrogenic disease. On purpose. Not as a side effect, but deliberately. In what other circumstance would this be considered acceptable? Within endocrinology, can you imagine another similar circumstance? If any endocrinologist was to deliberately elevate or suppress a patient’s thyroxine level outside the normal range, they would be subjected to disciplinary action. But it has been deemed acceptable for paediatric gender endocrinologists to do this with gonadotropins and sex hormones. Why?

NotBadConsidering · 20/05/2022 21:24

The comments from both parents and professionals are heartbreaking.

Ghislainedefeligonde · 20/05/2022 21:41

That’s an incredible letter - heartbreaking. The comments in particular
It’s heartening that someone has been brave enough to write this, I wonder what response it will get

MagnoliaTaint · 20/05/2022 22:43

When gender clinics say puberty blockers are reversible they are telling a truth, but they are being disingenuous. When they say puberty blockers are a “pause” to give children time to think, they are certainly being economical with the truth. They know that those children are now set along this pathway. There is no pause. There is no reversal.

The paediatric endocrinologist then takes that body, frozen at the physical state of early puberty, and masculinises or feminises that body, depending on the child’s sex.

They are creating a cohort of adults with children’s bodies, just adulterated by testosterone or oestrogen.

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nolongersurprised · 20/05/2022 23:49

I found it very interesting, the way he defines the process as essentially leaving someone in a child's body in adulthood

I agree with him.

The approved narrative is that puberty blockers stop the “wrong puberty” and then exogenous hormones enable the puberty that is correct for that person.

Except that’s not really how puberty works, is it? If a male child is blocked at Tanner stage 2 then given oestrogen by 18 they’ll look female with breasts but their genitals will be that of a 9-11 year old boy.

Penis/testicles are the obvious physical structures waiting for androgens that haven’t come but a male body is expecting maturity through androgens. The obviously under (as in not really at all) researched area is in brain development and maturation.

It’s creepy to talk about sex with children, but a puberty blocked male child who has had oestrogen will have the genitals of a primary school aged child. Not to mention the inability to orgasm.

Who will be the intimate partners of these children? The point of puberty is to reach physical/sexual maturation and these puberty blocked/cross sex hormone children don’t reach this.

OldCrone · 21/05/2022 00:05

The approved narrative is that puberty blockers stop the “wrong puberty” and then exogenous hormones enable the puberty that is correct for that person.

Except that’s not really how puberty works, is it?

No, it's not. Puberty is defined as the period during which adolescents reach sexual maturity and become capable of reproduction. The development of secondary sex characteristics happens at the same time, but this alone isn't puberty. These children don't reach sexual maturity and will never be able to reproduce, so they will not have gone through puberty.

It's not possible to go through the puberty of the opposite sex.

nolongersurprised · 21/05/2022 00:13

There’s a simplistic conflation between actual puberty and the secondary sexual characteristics puberty produces.

Giving a male child breasts does not mean he has gone through female puberty. A female with chest hair and a wispy beard from testosterone gels/injections has not gone through a male puberty.

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