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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

DM article - critics accuse Swindon council of promoting damaging trans ideology

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Popuptent · 15/05/2022 06:35

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10816881/Critics-accuse-Swindon-Council-promoting-damaging-transgender-ideology-schools.html

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EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 15/05/2022 07:32

That's quite a striking rate of referrals. I'm unclear whether it's particular decisions about what is taught in the schools because it's plain that there must be CCG support for these referrals.

Council chiefs faced criticism over their trans policy last night amid concern about the number of referrals to the only NHS gender service for children.

Figures obtained under Freedom of Information legislation show that the average referral rate across England was 32 per 100,000 under-18s in 2018 and 2019.

But Swindon had a figure of 66 per 100,000. It was among seven areas out of 191 with a rate more than double the national average.

It would be good to see the spread of figures in the 191 because there will always be some outliers. Plus, maybe this has been reported correctly, but it's always handy to check the mean, mode, and median to have some idea of how much these might differ.

WandaWomblesaurus · 15/05/2022 08:19

Ooh must be something in the water!

OldCrone · 15/05/2022 08:21

It would be good to see the spread of figures in the 191 because there will always be some outliers. Plus, maybe this has been reported correctly, but it's always handy to check the mean, mode, and median to have some idea of how much these might differ.

This looks as though it might be the FOI request referred to in the article.

tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/documents/2219/FOI_20-21180_GIDS_Funding__Referrals_to_17.12.20.pdf

You'd also need the number of under-18s in each area to do any sort of comparison. I don't know where you'd find that. ONS maybe?

ResisterRex · 15/05/2022 09:58

Transgender Trend has a short thread

mobile.twitter.com/Transgendertrd/status/1525720404018462720

Thingybob · 15/05/2022 10:07

The Tavistock seems to have made a mess of the data they released in response to the FOI. They haven't provided ethnicity but duplicated a table for the reason for referral. Also I've only checked the 2011 column for the referrals by CCG and the total doesn't tally with the number of referrals for that year. Did they have 163 referrals in 2011 or 167?

Whatwouldscullydo · 15/05/2022 10:15

The whole reason behind the pshe/sex education and the set up of the samaritans, was because I 13 years old killed herself after starting her periods akd she had no idea what was happening.

Ideology has no place in what should be a factual accurate set of lessons. Correct terminology is essential in keeping children safe.

I don't see how this modern day " use chest tissue" shit is any different to many years ago where women were kept in line by keeping them ignorant of their bodies ajd how they worked and prevention of access to birth control etc.

Same shit different day.

SolasAnla · 15/05/2022 12:34

The guidance adds that gender-neutral terms such as ‘people with a penis’ and ‘people who menstruate’ will be used when possible throughout the document.

Are these terms equal?

People with a penis
People who mensturate

🙄
People with a penis
People who bleed
⬆️👀

People with a visable body part.
People who are defined by isolating a single element of a complex function

People with a penis
People with a endometrium which grows in preparation of ovulation and implantation of a fertlised embryo which rejuvinates itsself by mensturation; either after implantation did not occur or after implantation and a growth period of the embryo.
🤷🏼‍♀️

Of course the reality is that woman as the female sexed human has a whole life reproductive cycle.
To be a person the human has to be in a specific pre-fertile part of the lifecycle.
Man as the male sexed human also has a whole life reproductive cycle.
To be a person the human has to have a male sex organ.

To reflect the part of the human life cycle the terms should be :

People who ejaculate.
People who ovulate.

Thats an equal "value" stage of passing on genetic material to the next generation.

From birth to death

People with a penis.
People with a vulva.

Sex-neutral terms right?

Or cultural bias?

Or Micro-agressions reminding bloody women to be fertile, fuckable humans.
🤷🏼‍♀️

KittenKong · 16/05/2022 19:13

I’m no statistician… but those numbers! Whoa Nelly!

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 16/05/2022 20:17

The guidance adds that gender-neutral terms such as ‘people with a penis’ and ‘people who menstruate’ will be used when possible throughout the document.

The sheer boneheaded stupidity of it! Let's try to baffle and confuse children with the idea that young lads may suddenly find themselves menstruating, while girls should watch out for an unexpected penis growing. Great way to terrify a girl as her vulva starts its natural adult development. Do these people ever stop and think?

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